Texas Power vs EPA
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 15:11 last edited by George K
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 15:22 last edited by
76 tomorrow in Dallas, 68 today. Not sure what they need it for.
Always 4D chess involved, probably Texas wants to stay off the grid and Biden wants them on the grid.
Also Biden is not going to let the progressives in his party have a waiver thing to go nuts over and used as evidence he is not serious enough about climate change.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 15:24 last edited by
The tweet is not specific about which waiver request it was talking about (e.g., when was that request made, what was requested exactly).
There are waivers that the EPA already approved for Texas:
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/epa-approves-emergency-fuel-waiver-texas-0
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 15:28 last edited by
This report has this to say:
"On Sunday, Abbott sought and received a waiver from the U.S. Department of Energy that allows Texas power generators to increase production. Unfortunately, some of those generators are unable to increase production at this time because their operations have been frozen by weather conditions. ..."
At least for the waiver request that Abbott made on Sunday (Feb.21?), Abbott received that waiver from the Department of Energy.
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This report has this to say:
"On Sunday, Abbott sought and received a waiver from the U.S. Department of Energy that allows Texas power generators to increase production. Unfortunately, some of those generators are unable to increase production at this time because their operations have been frozen by weather conditions. ..."
At least for the waiver request that Abbott made on Sunday (Feb.21?), Abbott received that waiver from the Department of Energy.
wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 15:34 last edited by@axtremus said in Texas Power vs EPA:
At least for the waiver request that Abbott made on Sunday (Feb.21?), Abbott received that waiver from the Department of Energy.
The waiver was requested on 2/14.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 15:49 last edited by Axtremus
Thanks, @George-K. With regards to the Feb.14 request, the
EPADOE also approved a bunch of stuff (going by the images of the document provided in the 2nd tweet you linked above). Your opening post charactering theEPA'sDOE's response as a "nope" is incorrect. -
wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 16:23 last edited by A Former User
Anyone read the letter from the DOE (not EPA)? Or the comments on the original tweet? Some useful information there.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 17:33 last edited by
Wow it’s almost like Abbott is trying to shift some blame.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 17:34 last edited by
At least this is more plausible than blaming the Green New Deal. As if a slide show and a slogan caused the outage.
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At least this is more plausible than blaming the Green New Deal. As if a slide show and a slogan caused the outage.
wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:03 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Texas Power vs EPA:
At least this is more plausible than blaming the Green New Deal. As if a slide show and a slogan caused the outage.
Who is responsible for making sure those renewable sources of energy are weather proof. My Texas friends say they can’t get them to work yet hence the waiver request.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:06 last edited by jon-nyc
My guess is the operator and not the EPA.
Kind of a silly question.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:08 last edited by Doctor Phibes
Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.
Who do we blame for that?
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:11 last edited by
Seems like the same answer - the operators.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:18 last edited by Doctor Phibes
If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event. It also shouldn't be a surprise that if they compete on price, their ability to deal with highly unusual events is liable to be compromised.
Not that competition is bad, of course. I'm really just stating the obvious.
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If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event. It also shouldn't be a surprise that if they compete on price, their ability to deal with highly unusual events is liable to be compromised.
Not that competition is bad, of course. I'm really just stating the obvious.
wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:30 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:
If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event.
Not every 50 years - more like 10. Source
**was hit with a cold-weather event “unusually severe in terms of temperature, wind, and duration.” This forced the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, to resort to “system-wide rolling blackouts to prevent more widespread customer outages.” Unfortunately, “generators and natural gas producers suffered severe losses of capacity despite having received accurate forecasts of the storm.” ERCOT had reserves in anticipation of the storm, but those “reserves proved insufficient” once the cold hit. Many generators had “failed to adequately apply and institutionalize knowledge and recommendations from previous severe winter weather events, especially as to winterization of generation and plant auxiliary equipment.”
That description of the cascading failures of Texas’s power grid is not from the past week. It is actually taken from a 2011 report from FERC, investigating an outage during a prior cold snap.**
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:44 last edited by
All the news is meant to crush Texas for being off the grid. And given the various pains people are suffering that is more than understandable
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As facts come out things will inevitably change.Is the water system off the grid too?
Keep that in mind when reacting. So interesting that force majeure is being excluded as a possibility.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:47 last edited by
This is an oversimplification but less so than statements Abbott has made. And funny.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:58 last edited by
Isn’t the real misery now all about water. I think people in Texas would appreciate a social media attack on that.
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wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:59 last edited by
I’m sure if Abbott transparently lies about the water situation social media will oblige.
Have you reached out to the governor’s office?
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Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.
Who do we blame for that?
wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 00:26 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:
Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.
Who do we blame for that?
Uh, how much energy was the renewable stuff putting out?
Zero?