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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:18 last edited by Doctor Phibes
    #14

    If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event. It also shouldn't be a surprise that if they compete on price, their ability to deal with highly unusual events is liable to be compromised.

    Not that competition is bad, of course. I'm really just stating the obvious.

    I was only joking

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    • D Doctor Phibes
      22 Feb 2021, 20:18

      If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event. It also shouldn't be a surprise that if they compete on price, their ability to deal with highly unusual events is liable to be compromised.

      Not that competition is bad, of course. I'm really just stating the obvious.

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      kluurs
      wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:30 last edited by
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      @doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:

      If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event.

      Not every 50 years - more like 10. Source

      **was hit with a cold-weather event “unusually severe in terms of temperature, wind, and duration.” This forced the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, to resort to “system-wide rolling blackouts to prevent more widespread customer outages.” Unfortunately, “generators and natural gas producers suffered severe losses of capacity despite having received accurate forecasts of the storm.” ERCOT had reserves in anticipation of the storm, but those “reserves proved insufficient” once the cold hit. Many generators had “failed to adequately apply and institutionalize knowledge and recommendations from previous severe winter weather events, especially as to winterization of generation and plant auxiliary equipment.”

      That description of the cascading failures of Texas’s power grid is not from the past week. It is actually taken from a 2011 report from FERC, investigating an outage during a prior cold snap.**

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        Loki
        wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:44 last edited by
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        All the news is meant to crush Texas for being off the grid. And given the various pains people are suffering that is more than understandable
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        As facts come out things will inevitably change.

        Is the water system off the grid too?

        Keep that in mind when reacting. So interesting that force majeure is being excluded as a possibility.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:47 last edited by
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          This is an oversimplification but less so than statements Abbott has made. And funny.

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          Only non-witches get due process.

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          • J jon-nyc
            22 Feb 2021, 20:47

            This is an oversimplification but less so than statements Abbott has made. And funny.

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            Loki
            wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:58 last edited by
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            Isn’t the real misery now all about water. I think people in Texas would appreciate a social media attack on that.

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:59 last edited by
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              I’m sure if Abbott transparently lies about the water situation social media will oblige.

              Have you reached out to the governor’s office?

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • D Doctor Phibes
                22 Feb 2021, 20:08

                Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

                Who do we blame for that?

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                Jolly
                wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 00:26 last edited by
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                @doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

                Who do we blame for that?

                Uh, how much energy was the renewable stuff putting out?

                Zero?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • L Loki
                  22 Feb 2021, 20:44

                  All the news is meant to crush Texas for being off the grid. And given the various pains people are suffering that is more than understandable
                  .
                  As facts come out things will inevitably change.

                  Is the water system off the grid too?

                  Keep that in mind when reacting. So interesting that force majeure is being excluded as a possibility.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 00:28 last edited by
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                  @loki said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                  All the news is meant to crush Texas for being off the grid. And given the various pains people are suffering that is more than understandable
                  .
                  As facts come out things will inevitably change.

                  Is the water system off the grid too?

                  Keep that in mind when reacting. So interesting that force majeure is being excluded as a possibility.

                  You sir, are right.

                  The MSM and social media campaign is in full swing. Texas MUST CONFORM!!!!!

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • J Jolly
                    23 Feb 2021, 00:26

                    @doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                    Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

                    Who do we blame for that?

                    Uh, how much energy was the renewable stuff putting out?

                    Zero?

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 01:44 last edited by
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                    @jolly said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                    @doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                    Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

                    Who do we blame for that?

                    Uh, how much energy was the renewable stuff putting out?

                    Zero?

                    Roughly 20% of Texas' electricity comes from renewable, mostly wind power. 30 GW was lost by gas, coal and nuclear, 16 GW by wind.

                    It's a good advert for not being totally reliant on renewable, but also indicates that blaming the crisis on renewables is bollocks.

                    Personally, I'm a big fan of nuclear, or as they say in Texas, nucilar.

                    I was only joking

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                      Loki
                      wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 02:15 last edited by
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                      I think Texas is the fastest growing state. It’s been noticed.

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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 02:38 last edited by
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                        Operation Cat 10 FTW!!!!

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • J jon-nyc
                          23 Feb 2021, 02:38

                          Operation Cat 10 FTW!!!!

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                          Loki
                          wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 02:55 last edited by
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                          @jon-nyc said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                          Operation Cat 10 FTW!!!!

                          Lol

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