Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. Texas Power vs EPA

Texas Power vs EPA

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
25 Posts 8 Posters 351 Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • J jon-nyc
    22 Feb 2021, 17:34

    At least this is more plausible than blaming the Green New Deal. As if a slide show and a slogan caused the outage.

    L Offline
    L Offline
    Loki
    wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:03 last edited by
    #10

    @jon-nyc said in Texas Power vs EPA:

    At least this is more plausible than blaming the Green New Deal. As if a slide show and a slogan caused the outage.

    Who is responsible for making sure those renewable sources of energy are weather proof. My Texas friends say they can’t get them to work yet hence the waiver request.

    1 Reply Last reply
    • J Offline
      J Offline
      jon-nyc
      wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:06 last edited by jon-nyc
      #11

      My guess is the operator and not the EPA.

      Kind of a silly question.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
      1 Reply Last reply
      • D Offline
        D Offline
        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:08 last edited by Doctor Phibes
        #12

        Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

        Who do we blame for that?

        I was only joking

        J 1 Reply Last reply 23 Feb 2021, 00:26
        • J Offline
          J Offline
          jon-nyc
          wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:11 last edited by
          #13

          Seems like the same answer - the operators.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
          1 Reply Last reply
          • D Offline
            D Offline
            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:18 last edited by Doctor Phibes
            #14

            If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event. It also shouldn't be a surprise that if they compete on price, their ability to deal with highly unusual events is liable to be compromised.

            Not that competition is bad, of course. I'm really just stating the obvious.

            I was only joking

            K 1 Reply Last reply 22 Feb 2021, 20:30
            • D Doctor Phibes
              22 Feb 2021, 20:18

              If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event. It also shouldn't be a surprise that if they compete on price, their ability to deal with highly unusual events is liable to be compromised.

              Not that competition is bad, of course. I'm really just stating the obvious.

              K Offline
              K Offline
              kluurs
              wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:30 last edited by
              #15

              @doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:

              If you have competing commercial operators, it stands to reason that they will compete on price, and not on how well they're going to cope with a once-in-a-50-year weather event.

              Not every 50 years - more like 10. Source

              **was hit with a cold-weather event “unusually severe in terms of temperature, wind, and duration.” This forced the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, or ERCOT, to resort to “system-wide rolling blackouts to prevent more widespread customer outages.” Unfortunately, “generators and natural gas producers suffered severe losses of capacity despite having received accurate forecasts of the storm.” ERCOT had reserves in anticipation of the storm, but those “reserves proved insufficient” once the cold hit. Many generators had “failed to adequately apply and institutionalize knowledge and recommendations from previous severe winter weather events, especially as to winterization of generation and plant auxiliary equipment.”

              That description of the cascading failures of Texas’s power grid is not from the past week. It is actually taken from a 2011 report from FERC, investigating an outage during a prior cold snap.**

              1 Reply Last reply
              • L Offline
                L Offline
                Loki
                wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:44 last edited by
                #16

                All the news is meant to crush Texas for being off the grid. And given the various pains people are suffering that is more than understandable
                .
                As facts come out things will inevitably change.

                Is the water system off the grid too?

                Keep that in mind when reacting. So interesting that force majeure is being excluded as a possibility.

                J 1 Reply Last reply 23 Feb 2021, 00:28
                • J Offline
                  J Offline
                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:47 last edited by
                  #17

                  This is an oversimplification but less so than statements Abbott has made. And funny.

                  232B6A35-6DF4-465A-906B-28C4B79FBD5D.png

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                  L 1 Reply Last reply 22 Feb 2021, 20:58
                  • J jon-nyc
                    22 Feb 2021, 20:47

                    This is an oversimplification but less so than statements Abbott has made. And funny.

                    232B6A35-6DF4-465A-906B-28C4B79FBD5D.png

                    L Offline
                    L Offline
                    Loki
                    wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:58 last edited by
                    #18

                    Isn’t the real misery now all about water. I think people in Texas would appreciate a social media attack on that.

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    • J Offline
                      J Offline
                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on 22 Feb 2021, 20:59 last edited by
                      #19

                      I’m sure if Abbott transparently lies about the water situation social media will oblige.

                      Have you reached out to the governor’s office?

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                      1 Reply Last reply
                      • D Doctor Phibes
                        22 Feb 2021, 20:08

                        Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

                        Who do we blame for that?

                        J Offline
                        J Offline
                        Jolly
                        wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 00:26 last edited by
                        #20

                        @doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                        Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

                        Who do we blame for that?

                        Uh, how much energy was the renewable stuff putting out?

                        Zero?

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                        D 1 Reply Last reply 23 Feb 2021, 01:44
                        • L Loki
                          22 Feb 2021, 20:44

                          All the news is meant to crush Texas for being off the grid. And given the various pains people are suffering that is more than understandable
                          .
                          As facts come out things will inevitably change.

                          Is the water system off the grid too?

                          Keep that in mind when reacting. So interesting that force majeure is being excluded as a possibility.

                          J Offline
                          J Offline
                          Jolly
                          wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 00:28 last edited by
                          #21

                          @loki said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                          All the news is meant to crush Texas for being off the grid. And given the various pains people are suffering that is more than understandable
                          .
                          As facts come out things will inevitably change.

                          Is the water system off the grid too?

                          Keep that in mind when reacting. So interesting that force majeure is being excluded as a possibility.

                          You sir, are right.

                          The MSM and social media campaign is in full swing. Texas MUST CONFORM!!!!!

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          • J Jolly
                            23 Feb 2021, 00:26

                            @doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                            Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

                            Who do we blame for that?

                            Uh, how much energy was the renewable stuff putting out?

                            Zero?

                            D Offline
                            D Offline
                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 01:44 last edited by
                            #22

                            @jolly said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                            Natural gas, nuclear and coal power stations outages contributed more than the renewable stuff did.

                            Who do we blame for that?

                            Uh, how much energy was the renewable stuff putting out?

                            Zero?

                            Roughly 20% of Texas' electricity comes from renewable, mostly wind power. 30 GW was lost by gas, coal and nuclear, 16 GW by wind.

                            It's a good advert for not being totally reliant on renewable, but also indicates that blaming the crisis on renewables is bollocks.

                            Personally, I'm a big fan of nuclear, or as they say in Texas, nucilar.

                            I was only joking

                            1 Reply Last reply
                            • L Offline
                              L Offline
                              Loki
                              wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 02:15 last edited by
                              #23

                              I think Texas is the fastest growing state. It’s been noticed.

                              1 Reply Last reply
                              • J Offline
                                J Offline
                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 02:38 last edited by
                                #24

                                Operation Cat 10 FTW!!!!

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
                                L 1 Reply Last reply 23 Feb 2021, 02:55
                                • J jon-nyc
                                  23 Feb 2021, 02:38

                                  Operation Cat 10 FTW!!!!

                                  L Offline
                                  L Offline
                                  Loki
                                  wrote on 23 Feb 2021, 02:55 last edited by
                                  #25

                                  @jon-nyc said in Texas Power vs EPA:

                                  Operation Cat 10 FTW!!!!

                                  Lol

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  Reply
                                  • Reply as topic
                                  Log in to reply
                                  • Oldest to Newest
                                  • Newest to Oldest
                                  • Most Votes

                                  19/25

                                  22 Feb 2021, 20:59


                                  • Login

                                  • Don't have an account? Register

                                  • Login or register to search.
                                  19 out of 25
                                  • First post
                                    19/25
                                    Last post
                                  0
                                  • Categories
                                  • Recent
                                  • Tags
                                  • Popular
                                  • Users
                                  • Groups