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Combating Racism by Instituting...Racism?

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    #7

    DeBlasio wants to make Stuyvesant and the others (5 total) accept top x from each jr high as a way to do a wholesale replacement of blacks for Asians. Though he would phrase it differently.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Equality by hurting the top students.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        DeBlasio wants to make Stuyvesant and the others (5 total) accept top x from each jr high as a way to do a wholesale replacement of blacks for Asians. Though he would phrase it differently.

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        @jon-nyc said in Combating Racism by Instituting...Racism?:

        DeBlasio wants to make Stuyvesant and the others (5 total) accept top x from each jr high as a way to do a wholesale replacement of blacks for Asians. Though he would phrase it differently.

        Won’t do any good unless these kids did the work and had the drive to compete to begin with.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          For sure the top few students in any of the schools will have drive and a work ethic. But there’d still be a wide range of academic performance.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            Which is what I was getting at. Its not truly performance based. Putting them in this school is not going to make their performance equal nor their futures.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              #12

              And again

              Those darned white (no capital letters please) and Asian people

              https://www.toddstarnes.com/campus/boston-public-schools-suspends-advanced-learning-class-in-part-because-there-were-too-many-white-students/?fbclid=IwAR3_VR6PHFccA-RJCmrhkQ2ACP7nn1162lPwEVLoG6VvAo090NpkYcNYjSE

              Boston Public Schools Suspends Advanced Learning Class in Part Because There were Too Many White Students

              A selective program for high-performing fourth, fifth and sixth graders in Boston has suspended enrollment due to the pandemic and concerns about equity in the program, television station WGBH News reports.

              “Advanced placement courses were offered to everyone in the school system. This is incredibly unfair to those that worked hard to qualify,” one parent said.

              A district analysis of the program found that more than 70 percent of students enrolled in the program were white and Asian, even though nearly 80 percent of all Boston public school students are Hispanic and Black.

              “And then you have white flight,” one parent wrote. “Those that can afford to or will take a demotion in their living standards will go to where their child can get the advanced classes. It will just tank the districts scores as they lose their highest achievers. Been happening for decades anyway.”

              School Committee member Lorna Rivera said at a January meeting that she was disturbed by the findings, noting that nearly 60 percent of fourth graders in the program at the Ohrenberger school in West Roxbury are white even though most third graders enrolled at the school are Black and Hispanic.

              “This is just not acceptable,” Rivera said at a recent school committee meeting. “I’ve never heard these statistics before, and I’m very very disturbed by them.”

              Superintendent Brenda Cassellius told WGBH News they would put the program on hiatus over the racial findings.

              “There’s been a lot of inequities that have been brought to the light in the pandemic that we have to address,” Cassellius said. “There’s a lot of work we have to do in the district to be antiracist and have policies where all of our students have a fair shot at an equitable and excellent education.”

              The program was open to all students in the Boston Public Schools who took a test known as Terra Nova in the third grade and received a high score. Those students were placed in a lottery conducted by the central administration office, and lottery winners received letters inviting them to apply to the program.

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                What somebody please explain to me what is wrong with excellence?

                Oh...I get it...The rich people can keep their kids in private schools and the smart kids in public schools can go piss up a rope.

                Guaranteed and subtle superiority, by denial of opportunity.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  What somebody please explain to me what is wrong with excellence?

                  Oh...I get it...The rich people can keep their kids in private schools and the smart kids in public schools can go piss up a rope.

                  Guaranteed and subtle superiority, by denial of opportunity.

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                  @jolly said in Combating Racism by Instituting...Racism?:

                  What somebody please explain to me what is wrong with excellence?

                  Oh...I get it...The rich people can keep their kids in private schools and the smart kids in public schools can go piss up a rope.

                  Guaranteed and subtle superiority, by denial of opportunity.

                  The misunderstanding is about which direction excellence goes.

                  Either you have it - and that’s why you’re in the institution. Or - you get it from the institution.

                  I think the answer is obvious. But, clearly others disagree.

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                    #15

                    Yeah we’ve started to believe our own euphemisms, like when we say ‘good schools’ instead of ‘collection of good students’. Thus people who haven’t thought it through start thinking there’s something magical about the physical plant where Stuyvesant and Bronx Science are.

                    Also dissolving the competitive schools, like ending standardized testing or grades, cuts down on the invidious comparison. A way of legislating away the education gap. Or appearing to at least.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Yeah we’ve started to believe our own euphemisms, like when we say ‘good schools’ instead of ‘collection of good students’. Thus people who haven’t thought it through start thinking there’s something magical about the physical plant where Stuyvesant and Bronx Science are.

                      Also dissolving the competitive schools, like ending standardized testing or grades, cuts down on the invidious comparison. A way of legislating away the education gap. Or appearing to at least.

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                      We are starting to consider either a private school or a home school coop for Finley.

                      The Brad

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                        Aren’t private schools really pricey there?

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          @jon-nyc depends on the school. Several are more expensive than Luke’s college with room and board... But there are a couple that are decent and the tuition isn’t insane. Still, it will most likely be a homeschool coop if we can find one that isn’t too insane in either direction.

                          The Brad

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                            #19

                            My district isn’t (yet) insane with woke neoracism (though there’s a contingent trying hard to get us there), so I think the boy will be okay.

                            Also he’s already a bit cynical about it, and it didn’t really come from me.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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