Earth Day Predictions from 1970
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Things I never expected to see in my lifetime....
- fall of the Berlin Wall
- end of Soviet Union
- plentiful oil
- cleaner air and water
- anything like a smart phone
One should always remember the motto of the Royal Society, 'Nullius in verba' is taken to mean 'take nobody's word for it'.
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@Mik said in Earth Day Predictions from 1970:
Yes, and so do I. But on the other hand I know folks that are militantly environmentalist, the flip side of the coin you tossed out there. as i said - we have to strike a balance.
That was, sort of, my point.
“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.”
• George Wald, Harvard BiologistThat would have been 1985 or 2000.
“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.”
• Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologistThat would have been 1980..
“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.”
• Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth DayWhoopsie.
And several others. All of these "scientists" who demanded radical action to prevent global cooling, mass starvation, etc have been wrong - spectacularly wrong. It's not to demean the (God I hate this word) stewardship that we must exercise over our home, it's only to point out that from I time I remember well, the scientists were saying we're doomed.
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I am guessing that the people quoted in teh opening post were on the one side of the discussion, so it is not surprising that what they would say would be considered extreme.
I am guessing that somewhere, someplace, there are quotes of people in 1970 who were against Earth Day and probably had quotes like:
"Pollution never killed anyone"
"I eat fish from the Cleveland Lake and never had any problems"
"There is not any need for Clean Water Act"
"If you dont want to deal with the smog, then dont move to the city"
etc
etcI agree with Mik that there has to be a balance, but I probably more agree with Mark at the disregard for some people regarding the environment.
What surprises me is that now, the environment seems to be a Democrat vs. Republic issue. If I have read correctly my history, it never was really that before. Most of the major US environment laws passed in the past were supported by both parties. It makes me wonder if they would have been passed today.
Yo
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@taiwan_girl said in Earth Day Predictions from 1970:
I am guessing that the people quoted in teh opening post were on the one side of the discussion, so it is not surprising that what they would say would be considered extreme.
I am guessing that somewhere, someplace, there are quotes of people in 1970 who were against Earth Day and probably had quotes like:
"Pollution never killed anyone"
"I eat fish from the Cleveland Lake and never had any problems"
"There is not any need for Clean Water Act"
"If you dont want to deal with the smog, then dont move to the city"
etc
etcI agree with Mik that there has to be a balance, but I probably more agree with Mark at the disregard for some people regarding the environment.
What surprises me is that now, the environment seems to be a Democrat vs. Republic issue. If I have read correctly my history, it never was really that before. Most of the major US environment laws passed in the past were supported by both parties. It makes me wonder if they would have been passed today.
Yo
You're absolutely right. Republicans get up every morning, make their children drink sewer sludge and take the little darlings to school in a yellow atmospheric cast of SO2...
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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I think you take me out of context!
But..... do you disagree that environmental issues seem to have become a Democrat vs. Republic issue over the last 15-20 years?
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@taiwan_girl said in Earth Day Predictions from 1970:
I think you take me out of context!
But..... do you disagree that environmental issues seem to have become a Democrat vs. Republic issue over the last 15-20 years?
I think that some elements of the Democrat Party have staked out positions so "green" as to be ludicrous.
I think the current situation, and our inability to manufacture some essential building blocks of industry due to environmental laws, needs to be rethought, with an evaluation of cost/benefit of all factors.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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But Jolly, it goes both ways. There are those on both sides who have positions so far to one side.
I am sure there are people on the republic side (and maybe democrat side) who would prefer to eliminate any environmental laws and assume that the market place will put things in teh direction they are supposed to go.
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@taiwan_girl said in Earth Day Predictions from 1970:
I am guessing that the people quoted in teh opening post were on the one side of the discussion, so it is not surprising that what they would say would be considered extreme.
I am guessing that somewhere, someplace, there are quotes of people in 1970 who were against Earth Day and probably had quotes like:
"Pollution never killed anyone"
"I eat fish from the Cleveland Lake and never had any problems"
"There is not any need for Clean Water Act"
"If you dont want to deal with the smog, then dont move to the city"
etc
etcI agree with Mik that there has to be a balance, but I probably more agree with Mark at the disregard for some people regarding the environment.
What surprises me is that now, the environment seems to be a Democrat vs. Republic issue. If I have read correctly my history, it never was really that before. Most of the major US environment laws passed in the past were supported by both parties. It makes me wonder if they would have been passed today.
Yo
Actually no, no one said anything like that at all.
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@taiwan_girl said in Earth Day Predictions from 1970:
But Jolly, it goes both ways. There are those on both sides who have positions so far to one side.
I am sure there are people on the republic side (and maybe democrat side) who would prefer to eliminate any environmental laws and assume that the market place will put things in teh direction they are supposed to go.
No, I've not heard of a single person who thought all environmental laws should be eliminated.
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@taiwan_girl said in Earth Day Predictions from 1970:
But Jolly, it goes both ways. There are those on both sides who have positions so far to one side.
I am sure there are people on the republic side (and maybe democrat side) who would prefer to eliminate any environmental laws and assume that the market place will put things in teh direction they are supposed to go.
When you always ride the middle rail, all you get is a sore butt.
