Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.

[Klaus]

OK, I see, it seems to be a confusion around a novel by Faulkner, "The Sound and the Fury", whose title was inspired by Shakespeare.

[Doctor Phibes]

Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.

I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.

I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.

The Bard was actually The Brad?

[Doctor Phibes]

True story - my dad worked with a guy named Bill Shakespeare. He had a hell of a time booking hotel rooms.

[jon-nyc]

@jolly said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.

They say it was actually another guy with the same name.

[brenda]

@loki said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

... it was a yard sale ending.

Love this.

[Aqua Letifer]

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

[Doctor Phibes]

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Well yeah, they both did if you wanna go that route.

[Rainman]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.

[Doctor Phibes]

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.

I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.

The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.

When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.

No pressure, but there's a route you can take to learn to appreciate his stuff. The trick is to find it, but it's there. There's a reason you know who he is.

[Rainman]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.

I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.

The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.

Thanks for the response, it's interesting.
Do you know if the emphasis on Shakespeare is the same nowadays in schools, or is or has the woke movement pushed him out of the schoolhouse as well?

[Doctor Phibes]

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.

I actually think we had a pretty good English teacher, and the syllabus wasn't bad. The main reason we didn't like Wordsworth is because we were 16 year olds who wanted to be Johnny Rotten. There's no competing with that.

[Doctor Phibes]

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.

I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.

The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.

Thanks for the response, it's interesting.
Do you know if the emphasis on Shakespeare is the same nowadays in schools, or is or has the woke movement pushed him out of the schoolhouse as well?

The British national curriculum for English Lit GCSE exam requires:

At least one play by Shakespeare
At least one 19th century novel
A selection of poetry since 1789, including Romantic poetry
A post-1919 fiction or drama from the British Isles

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.

I actually think we had a pretty good English teacher, and the syllabus wasn't bad. The main reason we didn't like Wordsworth is because we were 16 year olds who wanted to be Johnny Rotten. There's no competing with that.

Pffffft! Wordsworth's opiate addiction made Rotten's drug problems look like a ginger beer bender. And his relationship with Vallon kicks the shit out of any recording of "No Feelings." Wordsworth makes Rotten look like a damn poseur.

[Rainman]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.

I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.

The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.

Thanks for the response, it's interesting.
Do you know if the emphasis on Shakespeare is the same nowadays in schools, or is or has the woke movement pushed him out of the schoolhouse as well?

The British national curriculum for English Lit GCSE exam requires:

At least one play by Shakespeare
At least one 19th century novel
A selection of poetry since 1789, including Romantic poetry
A post-1919 fiction or drama from the British Isles

You made a comment above that was interesting, I'm too lazy to go look for it.
But the point you made caused me to reflect on how the problems with comprehension are due to the incompatibility of the work being studied, and the age of the student. At 16, I sat in class thinking about girls, or riding my new motorcycle, or a whole lot of exciting things.
A "selection of poetry since 1789" wasn't on my list, or any of my lists. Matter of fact, it was never on any of my lists, ever. Now, if it were "selection of poetry since 1790" that would of course be completely different with poetry translated from French, I mean we're all experts when you look at things from that angle, France stuff. Better than girls.

[bachophile]

We were taught macbeth in fifth grade. Our teacher read us out loud the story like a thriller. I was riveted. I’ve always appreciated that teacher for that introduction to that world.

[Catseye3]

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

I mean we're all experts when you look at things from that angle, France stuff. Better than girls.

But is it better than French girls?