Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.
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wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 08:02 last edited by
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Who is Faulkner?
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wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 10:16 last edited by bachophile 2 Dec 2021, 10:18
@klaus like an American asking who is Goethe
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wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 10:51 last edited by
I know that there's a famous writer of that name, but I still don't get it. Maybe I'm missing background on Faulkner (which doesn't extend much beyond knowing the name).
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wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 10:55 last edited by
OK, I see, it seems to be a confusion around a novel by Faulkner, "The Sound and the Fury", whose title was inspired by Shakespeare.
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wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 12:39 last edited by
Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.
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Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 14:02 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.
I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.
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@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.
I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 14:10 last edited by@jolly said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.
I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.
The Bard was actually The Brad?
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wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 14:11 last edited by Doctor Phibes 2 Dec 2021, 14:11
True story - my dad worked with a guy named Bill Shakespeare. He had a hell of a time booking hotel rooms.
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@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.
I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 14:23 last edited by@jolly said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.
They say it was actually another guy with the same name.
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@bachophile said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
Well Faulkner did write the sound and the fury. But she was honest enough to apologize.
True, but speed kills and the glee and sarcasm got smoked. It’s called being out over your skills and it was a yard sale ending.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 14:38 last edited by@loki said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
... it was a yard sale ending.
Love this.
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wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 16:55 last edited by
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
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Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
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@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
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Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 18:11 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
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Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
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@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 18:30 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Well yeah, they both did if you wanna go that route.
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@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 18:44 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something. -
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 19:55 last edited by@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.
The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.
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@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.
The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 20:08 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.
When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.
No pressure, but there's a route you can take to learn to appreciate his stuff. The trick is to find it, but it's there. There's a reason you know who he is.
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@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.
The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 20:09 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.
The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.
Thanks for the response, it's interesting.
Do you know if the emphasis on Shakespeare is the same nowadays in schools, or is or has the woke movement pushed him out of the schoolhouse as well? -
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.
When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.
No pressure, but there's a route you can take to learn to appreciate his stuff. The trick is to find it, but it's there. There's a reason you know who he is.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 20:11 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.
I actually think we had a pretty good English teacher, and the syllabus wasn't bad. The main reason we didn't like Wordsworth is because we were 16 year olds who wanted to be Johnny Rotten. There's no competing with that.
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@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.
The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.
Thanks for the response, it's interesting.
Do you know if the emphasis on Shakespeare is the same nowadays in schools, or is or has the woke movement pushed him out of the schoolhouse as well?wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 20:14 last edited by@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
???
Who is Faulkner?
The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.
Don't you mean Truman Capote?
Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.
The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.
Thanks for the response, it's interesting.
Do you know if the emphasis on Shakespeare is the same nowadays in schools, or is or has the woke movement pushed him out of the schoolhouse as well?The British national curriculum for English Lit GCSE exam requires:
At least one play by Shakespeare
At least one 19th century novel
A selection of poetry since 1789, including Romantic poetry
A post-1919 fiction or drama from the British Isles -
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.
I actually think we had a pretty good English teacher, and the syllabus wasn't bad. The main reason we didn't like Wordsworth is because we were 16 year olds who wanted to be Johnny Rotten. There's no competing with that.
wrote on 12 Feb 2021, 20:25 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:
When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.
I actually think we had a pretty good English teacher, and the syllabus wasn't bad. The main reason we didn't like Wordsworth is because we were 16 year olds who wanted to be Johnny Rotten. There's no competing with that.
Pffffft! Wordsworth's opiate addiction made Rotten's drug problems look like a ginger beer bender. And his relationship with Vallon kicks the shit out of any recording of "No Feelings." Wordsworth makes Rotten look like a damn poseur.