Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.

[George K]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

I can't speak for the rest of the country, but my kids have been far too busy learning about America to do much Shakespeare.

Which was, ironically (or not), her own excuse.

[Aqua Letifer]

@george-k said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

I can't speak for the rest of the country, but my kids have been far too busy learning about America to do much Shakespeare.

Which was, ironically (or not), her own excuse.

"Don't Quote What You Don't Understand."
—Diogenes, speaking to a crowd at Slugfest '89

[Klaus]

???

Who is Faulkner?

[bachophile]

@klaus like an American asking who is Goethe

[Klaus]

I know that there's a famous writer of that name, but I still don't get it. Maybe I'm missing background on Faulkner (which doesn't extend much beyond knowing the name).

[Klaus]

OK, I see, it seems to be a confusion around a novel by Faulkner, "The Sound and the Fury", whose title was inspired by Shakespeare.

[Doctor Phibes]

Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.

[Jolly]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.

I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.

[Doctor Phibes]

@jolly said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

Bottom line - Faulkner ripped off a Shakespearean line, and now the yanks are trying to pretend they invented it.

I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.

The Bard was actually The Brad?

[Doctor Phibes]

True story - my dad worked with a guy named Bill Shakespeare. He had a hell of a time booking hotel rooms.

[jon-nyc]

@jolly said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

I guess it's ok, since Shakespeare didn't write Shakespeare.

They say it was actually another guy with the same name.

[brenda]

@loki said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

... it was a yard sale ending.

Love this.

[Aqua Letifer]

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

[Doctor Phibes]

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Well yeah, they both did if you wanna go that route.

[Rainman]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.

[Doctor Phibes]

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.

I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.

The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.

[Aqua Letifer]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.

When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.

No pressure, but there's a route you can take to learn to appreciate his stuff. The trick is to find it, but it's there. There's a reason you know who he is.

[Rainman]

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@rainman said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@doctor-phibes said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

@klaus said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

???

Who is Faulkner?

The guy that Harper Lee completely ripped off.

Don't you mean Truman Capote?

Hey Phibes, I'm curious.
Growing up in England, were the works of Shakespeare studied heavily in school, like memorizing large portions of the plays, studying what everything means, etc. Or, was it all just as confusing as it was for kids in public school here? I don't think it's part of the curriculum any longer, because it's just awful stuff or white or something.

I stopped studying English at 16, but we had to study Shakespeare before then, amongst other things. We didn't memorise plays or anything, but we did spend quite a bit of time on it. The play I learned about was The Merchant of Venice, which might be considered a bit dodgy nowadays because of the anti-semitism.

The brutal stuff as far as I was concerned was Wordsworth. I hated that stuff. Sorry, Aqua.

Thanks for the response, it's interesting.
Do you know if the emphasis on Shakespeare is the same nowadays in schools, or is or has the woke movement pushed him out of the schoolhouse as well?

[Doctor Phibes]

@aqua-letifer said in Andrea Mitchell ("journalist") comments on Ted Cruz's comment.:

When students get repulsed by an author's work, it's pretty much never the author's fault. It's the curriculum. Our school system is designed to turn kids into factory workers. Of course you hated Wordsworth.

I actually think we had a pretty good English teacher, and the syllabus wasn't bad. The main reason we didn't like Wordsworth is because we were 16 year olds who wanted to be Johnny Rotten. There's no competing with that.