It's 3 months since the election....

[Horace]

@aqua-letifer said in It's 3 months since the election....:

Maybe go with "ALL TRUMPISTS ARE FAGGITS"?

I'd pay for a ticket just to hangout in your neighborhood during the fallout.

I'm not sure if you're talking to me, but there would be no fallout. I do remember the time a guy ran out of his house yelling at me while my wife and I were walking my dog, (hers wasn't here yet,) because my dog had poked his nose across his gate. (Really it was because he was at his open front window, which I understood in retrospect, as I explained to my wife that the reason he has the no trespassing sign, while nobody else in the neighborhood does, is because he's a paranoid freak.) He was running towards me and yelling and before he got too close to me and my wife I apologized and he retreated.

Then a couple months later I was walking my dog alone and I noticed him on his doorstep, and I went up to him and went ahead and called him a pussy, his wife came out, his neighbor came out (these are closely spaced houses), and I just continued to call the little bitch a little bitch now that I'm alone and not with my wife. I didn't appreciate some bitch approaching me like he'd hurt me. I encouraged them to call the cops if they wanted to, but until then I'd continue to call the guy a bitch. He, in front of his wife (this time) and his neighbor, then apologized and I walked away. Eventually the Next Door app would call that guy out as an alleged racist and I ended up coming to his defense there. Funny how life works.

[LuFins Dad]

@renauda said in It's 3 months since the election....:

I would agree that health care is human right.

So do I. Of course, rights aren’t things granted and given to you by government. They are intrinsic freedoms that are protected from government infringement and intrusion. The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.

[Aqua Letifer]

@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:

@renauda said in It's 3 months since the election....:

I would agree that health care is human right.

So do I. Of course, rights aren’t things granted and given to you by government. They are intrinsic freedoms that are protected from government infringement and intrusion. The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.

That's a pretty hefty cop-out when the "choice," provided to us by America's majestic liberty, is to get my gallbladder taken out to potentially save my life, or put my entire family into crippling debt from which they will never recover.

That nearly happened to me, and I had decent insurance at the time. The only thing that saved me was some weird-ass agreement between the doc and the hospital that I never knew existed. I also didn't know that this was the choice I was signing myself up for when I had to be driven to the ER because I couldn't walk on my own.

It's obvious when socialism becomes tyrannical: the state keeps you from the freedoms that matter. But capitalism can do that very thing, only it does so through false choices. That's my litmus test: whenever you have false choices set up by private enterprise, that's when government needs to step in at least to the level in which choices no longer become tyrannical.

[Copper]

Hold on

Are you trying to tell me that everyone in the country doesn't get an unlimited amount of healthcare for free?

What kind of a country is this?

We should all get a unlimited supply of everything for free.

And nobody should ever get sick or die.

[Doctor Phibes]

@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:

So do I. Of course, rights aren’t things granted and given to you by government. They are intrinsic freedoms that are protected from government infringement and intrusion. The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.

How does that philosophy work for all the other utilities industries?

You want to remove government oversight of water and electricity supply?

Sod that.

[LuFins Dad]

@doctor-phibes said in It's 3 months since the election....:

@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:

So do I. Of course, rights aren’t things granted and given to you by government. They are intrinsic freedoms that are protected from government infringement and intrusion. The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.

How does that philosophy work for all the other utilities industries?

You want to remove government oversight of water and electricity supply?

Sod that.

There’s a huge difference between oversight and provider.

[Renauda]

@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:

The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.

Depends what you mean by government run health care. I am not referring to the delivery of health care services. Rather I am referring to provision of universal health care insurance through a single payer. I believe the state has a major role in providing that to all citizens. In any case I doubt that we could arrive at any consensus. I make no false claims, I am a unrepentent socialist on this matter. Full stop.

[LuFins Dad]

If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years. @Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes @jon-nyc I ask how comfortable you would have been with that?

[Horace]

@horace said in It's 3 months since the election....:

@george-k said in It's 3 months since the election....:

@horace I see this every time I go for a walk:

But, I think we already had a "Front Yard Virtue Signaling Sign" Thread.

That may have been the one I saw. In all honesty I only glanced at it. Those things are so ridiculous, I don't feel any obligation to pay them much attention.

I walked by it again this morning. It's a variation on a theme, but not identical.

[Copper]

@george-k said in It's 3 months since the election....:

@horace I see this every time I go for a walk:

But, I think we already had a "Front Yard Virtue Signaling Sign" Thread.

That night, God sent the angel of death to kill the firstborn sons of the Egyptians. God told Moses to order the Israelite families to sacrifice a lamb and smear the blood on the door of their houses. In this way the angel would know to 'pass over' the houses of the Israelites.

[Aqua Letifer]

@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:

If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years. @Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes @jon-nyc I ask how comfortable you would have been with that?

I'm not a full-on advocate for single payer, nor am I an advocate in a VA-style government-run delivery system. This is something I don't understand about this country: everyone assumes that there is no such thing as a health care option that's not either what we already have, or "socialist" universal health care.

There are many, many ways to prevent someone with decent insurance from having to make ridiculous decisions like the one I mentioned above. That's what I'm advocating for. Deciding whether or not to have a common life-saving surgery because the costs are too high for someone who's insured is not "access to health care."

[Renauda]

@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:

If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years.

Why would the states themselves not administer and deliver their own respective systems under the umbrella of a federal health act and federal transfer payments earmarked for health care delivery to the states? That's one way it works in other federal jurisdictions in the world.

Or is it that the US federal system cannot accommodate an arrangement that would require that level of subsidiarity and cooperation? I don't know. You tell me.

[Doctor Phibes]

@renauda said in It's 3 months since the election....:

@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:

If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years.

Why would the states themselves not administer and deliver their own respective systems under the umbrella of a federal health act and federal transfer payments earmarked for health care to the states? That's one way it works in other federal jurisdictions in the world.

Or is it that the US federal system cannot accommodate an arrangement that would require that level of subsidiarity and cooperation? I don't know. You tell me.

They could do that if the political will was there. After all, the general philosophy if not all of the details of Obamacare was originally introduced by Mitt Romney solely for Massachusetts when he was Governor, so the State introduced its own system of oversight for health insurance, which was then introduced nationally, to howls of protest from Mitt Romney and his then supporters.

[Copper]

Of course the states or feds could take over any industry.

Why pick on healthcare?

Why not the food industry? This is certainly more necessary than healthcare.

Why not the clothing industry? This is certainly more necessary than healthcare.

Why not the housing industry? This is certainly more necessary than healthcare.

Why not the automobile industry?

Why not the football industry?

[Renauda]

Why not the industry industry?

Why not the why not industry?