It's 3 months since the election....
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@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:
So do I. Of course, rights aren’t things granted and given to you by government. They are intrinsic freedoms that are protected from government infringement and intrusion. The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.
How does that philosophy work for all the other utilities industries?
You want to remove government oversight of water and electricity supply?
Sod that.
@doctor-phibes said in It's 3 months since the election....:
@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:
So do I. Of course, rights aren’t things granted and given to you by government. They are intrinsic freedoms that are protected from government infringement and intrusion. The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.
How does that philosophy work for all the other utilities industries?
You want to remove government oversight of water and electricity supply?
Sod that.
There’s a huge difference between oversight and provider.
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@renauda said in It's 3 months since the election....:
I would agree that health care is human right.
So do I. Of course, rights aren’t things granted and given to you by government. They are intrinsic freedoms that are protected from government infringement and intrusion. The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.
@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:
The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.
Depends what you mean by government run health care. I am not referring to the delivery of health care services. Rather I am referring to provision of universal health care insurance through a single payer. I believe the state has a major role in providing that to all citizens. In any case I doubt that we could arrive at any consensus. I make no false claims, I am a unrepentent socialist on this matter. Full stop.
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@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:
The very thought of government run healthcare is antithetical to the idea of healthcare as a human right.
Depends what you mean by government run health care. I am not referring to the delivery of health care services. Rather I am referring to provision of universal health care insurance through a single payer. I believe the state has a major role in providing that to all citizens. In any case I doubt that we could arrive at any consensus. I make no false claims, I am a unrepentent socialist on this matter. Full stop.
If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years. @Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes @jon-nyc I ask how comfortable you would have been with that?
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@george-k said in It's 3 months since the election....:
@horace I see this every time I go for a walk:
But, I think we already had a "Front Yard Virtue Signaling Sign" Thread.
That may have been the one I saw. In all honesty I only glanced at it. Those things are so ridiculous, I don't feel any obligation to pay them much attention.
@horace said in It's 3 months since the election....:
@george-k said in It's 3 months since the election....:
@horace I see this every time I go for a walk:
But, I think we already had a "Front Yard Virtue Signaling Sign" Thread.
That may have been the one I saw. In all honesty I only glanced at it. Those things are so ridiculous, I don't feel any obligation to pay them much attention.
I walked by it again this morning. It's a variation on a theme, but not identical.
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@horace I see this every time I go for a walk:
But, I think we already had a "Front Yard Virtue Signaling Sign" Thread.
@george-k said in It's 3 months since the election....:
@horace I see this every time I go for a walk:
But, I think we already had a "Front Yard Virtue Signaling Sign" Thread.
That night, God sent the angel of death to kill the firstborn sons of the Egyptians. God told Moses to order the Israelite families to sacrifice a lamb and smear the blood on the door of their houses. In this way the angel would know to 'pass over' the houses of the Israelites.
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If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years. @Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes @jon-nyc I ask how comfortable you would have been with that?
@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:
If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years. @Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes @jon-nyc I ask how comfortable you would have been with that?
I'm not a full-on advocate for single payer, nor am I an advocate in a VA-style government-run delivery system. This is something I don't understand about this country: everyone assumes that there is no such thing as a health care option that's not either what we already have, or "socialist" universal health care.
There are many, many ways to prevent someone with decent insurance from having to make ridiculous decisions like the one I mentioned above. That's what I'm advocating for. Deciding whether or not to have a common life-saving surgery because the costs are too high for someone who's insured is not "access to health care."
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If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years. @Aqua-Letifer @Doctor-Phibes @jon-nyc I ask how comfortable you would have been with that?
@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:
If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years.
Why would the states themselves not administer and deliver their own respective systems under the umbrella of a federal health act and federal transfer payments earmarked for health care delivery to the states? That's one way it works in other federal jurisdictions in the world.
Or is it that the US federal system cannot accommodate an arrangement that would require that level of subsidiarity and cooperation? I don't know. You tell me.
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@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:
If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years.
Why would the states themselves not administer and deliver their own respective systems under the umbrella of a federal health act and federal transfer payments earmarked for health care delivery to the states? That's one way it works in other federal jurisdictions in the world.
Or is it that the US federal system cannot accommodate an arrangement that would require that level of subsidiarity and cooperation? I don't know. You tell me.
@renauda said in It's 3 months since the election....:
@lufins-dad said in It's 3 months since the election....:
If the US had a single payer system, that system would have been administered by the Trump administration over the last four years.
Why would the states themselves not administer and deliver their own respective systems under the umbrella of a federal health act and federal transfer payments earmarked for health care to the states? That's one way it works in other federal jurisdictions in the world.
Or is it that the US federal system cannot accommodate an arrangement that would require that level of subsidiarity and cooperation? I don't know. You tell me.
They could do that if the political will was there. After all, the general philosophy if not all of the details of Obamacare was originally introduced by Mitt Romney solely for Massachusetts when he was Governor, so the State introduced its own system of oversight for health insurance, which was then introduced nationally, to howls of protest from Mitt Romney and his then supporters.
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Of course the states or feds could take over any industry.
Why pick on healthcare?
Why not the food industry? This is certainly more necessary than healthcare.
Why not the clothing industry? This is certainly more necessary than healthcare.
Why not the housing industry? This is certainly more necessary than healthcare.
Why not the automobile industry?
Why not the football industry?
