Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss
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Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.
When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.
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@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.
When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.
89th (or was it Xenon) was saying the other day that Trump had faded from the national stage. I repkued that I didn't think so.
Thank you for proving my point...
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Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-electionIn an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.
“To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.
If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...
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@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-electionIn an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.
“To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.
If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...
Certainly, white identity politics will kill conservatism as a politically viable set of ideas, to the extent that conservatism can be successfully associated with it by the left. Not that I have a clear idea of what "anglo saxon traditions" is supposed to mean, but I know exactly how it sounds and how the left would message against it.
Education is extremely important.
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@horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Certainly, white identity politics will kill conservatism as a politically viable set of ideas, to the extent that conservatism can be successfully associated with it by the left. Not that I have a clear idea of what "anglo saxon traditions" is supposed to mean, but I know exactly how it sounds and how the left would message against it.
Indeed, even Reps. Greene and Gosar have since been trying distance themselves from it. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-reps-greene-gosar-try-distance-anglo-saxon-traditions-document-n1264437
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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/02/lin-wood-south-carolina-race-485189
Pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood brings “surprisingly strong” challenge to South Carolina’s state GOP chair, that despite Trump already endorsed the incumbent state party chairperson.
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https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/05/01/utah-gop-state-convention/
The Utah GOP attempted to censure Sen. Mitt Romney for his vote to convict Trump on his second impeachment trial. The vote to censure Romney failed, narrowly.
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And Xenon said Trump had faded away...
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Trump keeps winning in the GOP’s civil war
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-winning-rounds-gops-civil-war-note/story?id=77451029
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Since 1989, the Florida GOP has worked to expand voting by mail, and the practice seems to have benefited the GOP more than the Dems. Yet because of Trump’s rhetoric regarding voting by mail around the 2020 election, the Florida GOP control legislature and the GOP governor have been working to curtail voting by mail, essentially undoing their predecessors’ efforts to expand voting by mail in the last three decades. Now it seems the Florida GOP operatives on the ground are worried that curtailing voting by mail will adversely impact the GOP’s electoral fortune in Florida.
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@axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.
Maybe he was talking about himself?
After all, he did lead the Republics to losses in the President, the Senate, and the Representatives all in the same election.
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“... Romney, like Cheney, is part of a Republican Party with a long history. But that party no longer exists. The GOP that elevated Romney and Cheney’s father and the Bushes was a party that was conservative in its values and policy positions, but also open to disagreement and debate. It was not a cult of personality. Now the litmus test is plain: Cross the former president and suffer consequences.
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Sen. Liz Cheney’s op-ed on the GOP and Trump:
Liz Cheney: The GOP Is At A Turning Point. History Is Watching Us.
https://cowboystatedaily.com/2021/05/05/liz-cheney-the-gop-is-at-a-turning-point-history-is-watching-us/ -
His message: I am still the rightful president, and President Biden is illegitimate. Trump repeats these words now
I remember a certain
womanfemaleDemocrat candidate saying the same thing.Trump is seeking to unravel critical elements of our constitutional structure that make democracy work — confidence in the result of elections and the rule of law.
No specifice here, but see my comment above.
choose truth and fidelity to the Constitution.
Yup. Certify the vote, making sure that votes are legitimate. Keep the separation of powers and states' right to legitimize elections without political interference (yeah, Michigan, you know who I'm looking at).
I am a conservative Republican, and the most conservative of conservative values is reverence for the rule of law
I've always admired Congresswoman Cheney's stance on many issues. I don't dispute her conservative creds.
More than 60 state and federal courts, including multiple Trump-appointed judges, have rejected the former president’s arguments, and refused to overturn election results.
"Rejected" is not the same thing as "overturned." Because a court refuses to hear an argument does not make it false.
First, support the ongoing Justice Department criminal investigations of the Jan. 6 attack.
Yes. And those investigations should be conducted with the same rigor that the attacks on federal property in Portland and other places were conducted. Equal protection, right? How many of the attackers on the federal courthouse in Portland are still incarcerated?
The Black Lives Matter and antifa violence of last summer was illegal and reprehensible, but it is a different problem with a different solution.
Yes, it might be a different problem, but the laws that were broken were, arguably, the same. Why treat them differently?
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The fact that Liz Cheney arguably stood up for what she believes is right regarding former President Trump really has nothing to do with what went on in Portland, right?
Or with the Democrat Party?
She's probably not particularly interested in saving the Democrats from what she sees as a hostile takeover.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
The fact that Liz Cheney arguably stood up for what she believes is right regarding former President Trump really has nothing to do with what went on in Portland, right?
Yes...and no.
My point is that of selective outrage. The destruction of Portland is, arguably, worse than what happened in DC - other than from an ideological perspective ("Attack on democracy and all that stuff).
If she's concerned about peoples' attacks on democracy and federal property, I must have missed her outrage last summer.
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It would be all too easy to make the same arguments regarding people on the other side.
I'm not sure I buy into the argument that if you don't condemn everything that's bad, you have no right to condemn anything that's bad.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@doctor-phibes said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:
I'm not sure I buy into the argument that if you don't condemn everything that's bad, you have no right to condemn anything that's bad.
Fair enough.
But let's be more specific than "everything." I'm referring to Hillary Clinton's comments about the Trump victory. Cheney (whom I've always liked, as I think I said earlier) condemns Trump for the claim of illegitimacy. I still don't hear anyone condemning her comments, other than the RWEC.
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I should also point out that when one does condemn everything, I have found that there is a tendency to be branded as a nihilist, and accused of supporting nothing, as though that is somehow unthinkable.
So, on the one hand, if one doesn't condemn everything, one has no right to condemn anything. On the other, if one condemns everything one is accused of believing in nothing.
Bollocks, I say!
I would of course be happy to condemn Hillary Clinton for any manner of things. Allowing that jackass Donald Trump to be elected President by buying the Democrat nomination is fairly high on the list.
