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  • J jon-nyc
    7 Mar 2021, 18:16

    Nope. He won re-election handily.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 11 Apr 2021, 14:15 last edited by
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    @jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

    Nope. He won re-election handily.

    So did Trump.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • J Jolly
      11 Apr 2021, 14:15

      @jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

      Nope. He won re-election handily.

      So did Trump.

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 11 Apr 2021, 14:33 last edited by
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      @jolly said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

      @jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

      Nope. He won re-election handily.

      So did Trump.

      Trump lost his reelection bid by a landslide.

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        11 Apr 2021, 14:33

        @jolly said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

        @jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

        Nope. He won re-election handily.

        So did Trump.

        Trump lost his reelection bid by a landslide.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 11 Apr 2021, 15:36 last edited by
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        @axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

        @jolly said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

        @jon-nyc said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

        Nope. He won re-election handily.

        So did Trump.

        Trump lost his reelection bid by a landslide.

        Yes, after all the illegal votes were counted.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          11 Apr 2021, 13:11

          Trump slashes at McConnell as he reiterates election falsehoods at Republican event

          https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mcconnell-election/2021/04/11/297a82da-9879-11eb-962b-78c1d8228819_story.html

          ... Donald Trump called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a bitch” as he used a Saturday night speech to Republicans to blame him for not helping overturn the 2020 election and reiterated false assertions that he won the November contest.


          Trump, speaking to a Republican National Committee gathering at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., excoriated a number of Republicans even as he publicly called for party unity — focusing on those who voted to convict him in impeachment proceedings. But he saved his sharpest vitriol for the Kentucky Republican.

          ...
          Trump spent much of the speech, with many senators in the room, lashing into his former ally in personal terms, often to cheers from the party’s top donors. ...

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          taiwan_girl
          wrote on 12 Apr 2021, 03:47 last edited by
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          @axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

          ... Donald Trump called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a bitch” as he used a Saturday night speech to Republicans to blame him for not helping overturn the 2020 election and reiterated false assertions that he won the November contest.

          Trump, speaking to a Republican National Committee gathering at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., excoriated a number of Republicans even as he publicly called for party unity — focusing on those who voted to convict him in impeachment proceedings. But he saved his sharpest vitriol for the Kentucky Republican.

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          Trump spent much of the speech, with many senators in the room, lashing into his former ally in personal terms, often to cheers from the party’s top donors. ...

          I was read where he did something similar (but not in as bad a terms) to VP Pence.

          The downside for the Republics is that they may elect someone in the 2024 primary who will have difficulty in winning in the general election. There are 30-40% on each side who will vote for "their" party regardless. It is the 20-30% in the middle who have to be convinced. In 2016, the majority of those people were convinced the President Trump was a better alternative to Secretary Clinton.

          in 2020, those same people were convinced the President Trump was not the better alternative.

          Running President Trump again or a President Trump clone in 2024 will, I believe, end in the same result as 2020.

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          • T taiwan_girl
            12 Apr 2021, 03:47

            @axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

            ... Donald Trump called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a bitch” as he used a Saturday night speech to Republicans to blame him for not helping overturn the 2020 election and reiterated false assertions that he won the November contest.

            Trump, speaking to a Republican National Committee gathering at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., excoriated a number of Republicans even as he publicly called for party unity — focusing on those who voted to convict him in impeachment proceedings. But he saved his sharpest vitriol for the Kentucky Republican.

            ...
            Trump spent much of the speech, with many senators in the room, lashing into his former ally in personal terms, often to cheers from the party’s top donors. ...

            I was read where he did something similar (but not in as bad a terms) to VP Pence.

            The downside for the Republics is that they may elect someone in the 2024 primary who will have difficulty in winning in the general election. There are 30-40% on each side who will vote for "their" party regardless. It is the 20-30% in the middle who have to be convinced. In 2016, the majority of those people were convinced the President Trump was a better alternative to Secretary Clinton.

            in 2020, those same people were convinced the President Trump was not the better alternative.

            Running President Trump again or a President Trump clone in 2024 will, I believe, end in the same result as 2020.

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            Copper
            wrote on 12 Apr 2021, 15:24 last edited by
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            @taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

            There are 30-40% on each side who will vote for "their" party regardless.

            By 2024 nobody will vote for Joe Biden. There are 3 reasons why not.

            1. He will be in jail
            2. He will have gone to his reward
            3. He will have lost the tiny bit of cognitive ability that remains
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              Axtremus
              wrote on 13 Apr 2021, 13:18 last edited by
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              https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/13/michael-wood-texas-gop-481024

              “Wood is campaigning on an explicitly anti-Trump platform as he competes with 22 other candidates in a special election to fill the seat of the late Rep. Ron Wright (R-Texas), who represented a rapidly diversifying district in the Dallas-Fort Worth suburbs. Wood’s risky strategy centers on a belief there is a healthy slice of the GOP ready to move on from Trump after Jan. 6 — a proposition that will be tested at the ballot box next month”

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                Jolly
                wrote on 13 Apr 2021, 13:57 last edited by
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                Had to dig for that one, didn't ya?😄😄

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Axtremus
                  wrote on 1 May 2021, 04:03 last edited by
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                  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/29/still-angry-at-mcconnell-trump-calls-for-new-republican-leader

                  Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.

                  When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.

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                  • A Axtremus
                    1 May 2021, 04:03

                    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/29/still-angry-at-mcconnell-trump-calls-for-new-republican-leader

                    Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.

                    When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 1 May 2021, 11:17 last edited by
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                    @axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/29/still-angry-at-mcconnell-trump-calls-for-new-republican-leader

                    Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.

                    When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.

                    89th (or was it Xenon) was saying the other day that Trump had faded from the national stage. I repkued that I didn't think so.

                    Thank you for proving my point...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 2 May 2021, 01:45 last edited by
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                      Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-election

                      In an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.

                      “To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.

                      If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...

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                      • A Axtremus
                        2 May 2021, 01:45

                        Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-election

                        In an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.

                        “To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.

                        If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 2 May 2021, 02:10 last edited by
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                        @axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                        Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-election

                        In an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.

                        “To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.

                        If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...

                        Certainly, white identity politics will kill conservatism as a politically viable set of ideas, to the extent that conservatism can be successfully associated with it by the left. Not that I have a clear idea of what "anglo saxon traditions" is supposed to mean, but I know exactly how it sounds and how the left would message against it.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace
                          2 May 2021, 02:10

                          @axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                          Bush: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ ideals show pro-Trump Republicans ‘want to be extinct’
                          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/01/george-w-bush-anglo-saxon-donald-trump-republicans-texas-congressional-election

                          In an interview released on Friday by the Dispatch, an anti-Trump conservative podcast, [G.W. Bush] was asked about recent moves by pro-Trump extremists to form a congressional caucus promoting “Anglo-Saxon traditions”.

                          “To me that basically says that we want to be extinct,” he said.

                          If such trends continued, Bush said, in three to five years “there’s not going to be a party. ...

                          Certainly, white identity politics will kill conservatism as a politically viable set of ideas, to the extent that conservatism can be successfully associated with it by the left. Not that I have a clear idea of what "anglo saxon traditions" is supposed to mean, but I know exactly how it sounds and how the left would message against it.

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                          wrote on 2 May 2021, 11:44 last edited by
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                          @horace said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                          Certainly, white identity politics will kill conservatism as a politically viable set of ideas, to the extent that conservatism can be successfully associated with it by the left. Not that I have a clear idea of what "anglo saxon traditions" is supposed to mean, but I know exactly how it sounds and how the left would message against it.

                          Indeed, even Reps. Greene and Gosar have since been trying distance themselves from it. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-reps-greene-gosar-try-distance-anglo-saxon-traditions-document-n1264437

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                            wrote on 2 May 2021, 12:09 last edited by
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                            https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/02/lin-wood-south-carolina-race-485189

                            Pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood brings “surprisingly strong” challenge to South Carolina’s state GOP chair, that despite Trump already endorsed the incumbent state party chairperson.

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                              wrote on 2 May 2021, 12:14 last edited by
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                              https://apnews.com/article/trump-impeachment-impeachments-government-and-politics-d8de662875265ffb6069d3684cd82c83

                              https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2021/05/01/utah-gop-state-convention/

                              The Utah GOP attempted to censure Sen. Mitt Romney for his vote to convict Trump on his second impeachment trial. The vote to censure Romney failed, narrowly.

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                                wrote on 2 May 2021, 12:14 last edited by
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                                And Xenon said Trump had faded away...

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  wrote on 3 May 2021, 10:52 last edited by Axtremus 5 Mar 2021, 10:55
                                  #74

                                  https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-roasted-loyalty-trump-tweet-after-texas-election-1588161

                                  The “loyalty to Trump” bit seems t9 have hit a nerve with some of the people to replied to that tweet.

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                                    wrote on 3 May 2021, 15:25 last edited by
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                                    Trump keeps winning in the GOP’s civil war

                                    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-winning-rounds-gops-civil-war-note/story?id=77451029

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                                      wrote on 4 May 2021, 12:36 last edited by
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                                      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/florida-republicans-mail-voting/2021/05/02/4c133920-a9bf-11eb-8c1a-56f0cb4ff3b5_story.html

                                      Since 1989, the Florida GOP has worked to expand voting by mail, and the practice seems to have benefited the GOP more than the Dems. Yet because of Trump’s rhetoric regarding voting by mail around the 2020 election, the Florida GOP control legislature and the GOP governor have been working to curtail voting by mail, essentially undoing their predecessors’ efforts to expand voting by mail in the last three decades. Now it seems the Florida GOP operatives on the ground are worried that curtailing voting by mail will adversely impact the GOP’s electoral fortune in Florida.

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                                        1 May 2021, 04:03

                                        https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/29/still-angry-at-mcconnell-trump-calls-for-new-republican-leader

                                        Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.

                                        When asked to comment, McConnell says they should look forward to the future, not the past. Sounds to me McConnell wants to leave Trump in the past.

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on 5 May 2021, 00:56 last edited by
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                                        @axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                                        Trump says the GOP needs new leadership, that McConnell has not done a great job.

                                        Maybe he was talking about himself? 🤔

                                        After all, he did lead the Republics to losses in the President, the Senate, and the Representatives all in the same election.

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                                          wrote on 5 May 2021, 12:58 last edited by
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                                          https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-cheney-republicans/2021/05/04/fa942f58-ad30-11eb-ab4c-986555a1c511_story.html

                                          “... Romney, like Cheney, is part of a Republican Party with a long history. But that party no longer exists. The GOP that elevated Romney and Cheney’s father and the Bushes was a party that was conservative in its values and policy positions, but also open to disagreement and debate. It was not a cult of personality. Now the litmus test is plain: Cross the former president and suffer consequences.
                                          ...”

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