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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    #389

    I disagree with the second paragraph. The Democrats need to replace VP Harris, but who it would be, I dont know.

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      https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/12/trump-running-mate-vice-president-republicans-racism

      “I just love you!” Tim Scott bleated at Donald Trump.

      That, and many other examples of elected Republicans who formerly criticized or ran against Trump now changing their tunes professing support and loyalty to Trump.

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        https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/feb/12/trump-running-mate-vice-president-republicans-racism

        “I just love you!” Tim Scott bleated at Donald Trump.

        That, and many other examples of elected Republicans who formerly criticized or ran against Trump now changing their tunes professing support and loyalty to Trump.

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        @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

        That, and many other examples of elected Republicans who formerly criticized or ran against Trump now changing their tunes professing support and loyalty to Trump.

        Screenshot 2024-02-12 at 8.24.05 AM.png

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          @George-K Do we believe them then or do we believe them now? Or neither? LOL

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            @George-K Do we believe them then or do we believe them now? Or neither? LOL

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            @taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

            @George-K Do we believe them then or do we believe them now? Or neither? LOL

            Never, ever believe what a politician says.

            Note what s/he does.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              I keep hearing "dictator," "authoritarian," and the like.

              What, specifically, is he referring to?

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              @George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

              I keep hearing "dictator," "authoritarian," and the like.

              What, specifically, is he referring to?

              So, historically speaking, all of his tendencies are basically where narcissism takes him, which is whatever makes him popular, make him feel good at any given moment.”

              Is he wrong?

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4477651-ex-republican-congressman-blasts-lindsey-graham-and-others-who-faceplant-on-the-knee-of-donald-trump/

                Former Rep. David Jolly (Fla.), who served in the House as a Republican but later left the party, accused members of his former party of being apologists for former President Trump amid mounting scrutiny over his recent remarks on NATO.

                “I think there’s a unique shamefulness to see [Rep.] Mike Turner [R-Ohio], [Sen.] Tim Scott [R-S.C.], [Sen.] Lindsey Graham [R-S.C.] and others engage in this type of apologism if you will, for their own political interest. To faceplate on the knee of Donald Trump, they do it very well, from Graham to Scott to Mike Turner to [Rep.] Elise Stefanik [R-N.Y.]…name ’em,” Jolly said

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                  Mike Pence will not endorse Trump for 2024:

                  https://apnews.com/article/pence-trump-endorsement-c05ffad1e20381fed3cfc87b7071ba4c

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                    Wait a second. Wait a second.

                    @Axtremus , by posting that article, are you say that there is someone who worked very very closely with President Trump on a daily basis, who saw first hand his decision making and abilities, and this person does not think he should be president????!!!!!!!

                    Wow!!!!

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                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      Wait a second. Wait a second.

                      @Axtremus , by posting that article, are you say that there is someone who worked very very closely with President Trump on a daily basis, who saw first hand his decision making and abilities, and this person does not think he should be president????!!!!!!!

                      Wow!!!!

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                      @taiwan_girl said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                      Wow!!!!

                      He must be endorsing Mr. Biden.

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                        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/2924795/bill-cassidy-says-2024-presidential-race-is-a-sorry-state-of-affairs/

                        “The best thing going for Donald Trump running for president is that he’s running against [President] Joe Biden, about whom many people also have reservations. And frankly, that]s why people are considering third parties. So it’s a sorry state of affairs,” the senator added.

                        Despite his criticism of Biden, Cassidy wouldn’t commit to endorsing Trump,

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                          Honey, We Shrunk the GOP Majority


                          Democrats are lapping Republicans in this year’s election fund-raising, and could that be because GOP donors are wondering what they get for their money? Donors, both small-dollar and large, helped Republicans retake the House in 2022, and all they’ve received in return is a majority that revels in operating like a functional minority.

                          Their departures take the GOP majority down to 217-213, which means the party is a heart attack and absences or flipped votes away from putting Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries in charge. In some sense Mr. Jeffries already is in charge. Speaker Mike Johnson can’t pass legislation the usual way through the Rules Committee and then onto the floor with a simple majority. Every sensible majority that wants to govern packs the Rules Committee with Speaker loyalists. Not this crowd.

                          The anti-governing wing of the House GOP insisted on three of their own for Rules as one price of voting for Kevin McCarthy as Speaker in January 2023. They refuse to vote for Mr. Johnson’s inevitable compromises with Senate Democrats, so Mr. Johnson has to move legislation via the suspension calendar, which requires a two-thirds vote to pass anything. This means he needs Democratic votes, and a lot of them, because Republicans prefer to make futile gestures of opposition rather than vote to fund the government.

                          The practical effect is to reduce Republican leverage in a divided government and make it harder to achieve conservative policy victories. But then the same Members who undercut the majority boast on the House floor and social media that they are the only honest conservatives in Washington. They’re posers masquerading as principled, and they’re treating the voters at home like rubes.

                          Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s motion Friday to oust Mr. Johnson as Speaker exposes the deception behind the coup against Mr. McCarthy. After we criticized that October coup as destructive and self-serving, Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz wrote us a letter saying that in electing Mr. Johnson the GOP now had a real conservative as leader.

                          So what’s wrong with Mr. Johnson now? Apparently because he’s not willing to indulge kamikaze acts like shutting down the government, Mr. Johnson is a sellout too.

                          Conservatives have long had a strong anti-Washington impulse, which is useful given the federal government’s relentless drive to expand its own power. But breaking that drive, and rolling back that power, requires calculation and often incremental gains. All the more so in a divided government.

                          The posers of the House GOP remind us of a comment by former Sen. Jim DeMint that he’d rather have 30 Senators who agreed with him than a Republican majority. Congratulations to Mr. DeMint. The current House GOP is close to realizing his ambition.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            Honey, We Shrunk the GOP Majority


                            Democrats are lapping Republicans in this year’s election fund-raising, and could that be because GOP donors are wondering what they get for their money? Donors, both small-dollar and large, helped Republicans retake the House in 2022, and all they’ve received in return is a majority that revels in operating like a functional minority.

                            Their departures take the GOP majority down to 217-213, which means the party is a heart attack and absences or flipped votes away from putting Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries in charge. In some sense Mr. Jeffries already is in charge. Speaker Mike Johnson can’t pass legislation the usual way through the Rules Committee and then onto the floor with a simple majority. Every sensible majority that wants to govern packs the Rules Committee with Speaker loyalists. Not this crowd.

                            The anti-governing wing of the House GOP insisted on three of their own for Rules as one price of voting for Kevin McCarthy as Speaker in January 2023. They refuse to vote for Mr. Johnson’s inevitable compromises with Senate Democrats, so Mr. Johnson has to move legislation via the suspension calendar, which requires a two-thirds vote to pass anything. This means he needs Democratic votes, and a lot of them, because Republicans prefer to make futile gestures of opposition rather than vote to fund the government.

                            The practical effect is to reduce Republican leverage in a divided government and make it harder to achieve conservative policy victories. But then the same Members who undercut the majority boast on the House floor and social media that they are the only honest conservatives in Washington. They’re posers masquerading as principled, and they’re treating the voters at home like rubes.

                            Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s motion Friday to oust Mr. Johnson as Speaker exposes the deception behind the coup against Mr. McCarthy. After we criticized that October coup as destructive and self-serving, Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz wrote us a letter saying that in electing Mr. Johnson the GOP now had a real conservative as leader.

                            So what’s wrong with Mr. Johnson now? Apparently because he’s not willing to indulge kamikaze acts like shutting down the government, Mr. Johnson is a sellout too.

                            Conservatives have long had a strong anti-Washington impulse, which is useful given the federal government’s relentless drive to expand its own power. But breaking that drive, and rolling back that power, requires calculation and often incremental gains. All the more so in a divided government.

                            The posers of the House GOP remind us of a comment by former Sen. Jim DeMint that he’d rather have 30 Senators who agreed with him than a Republican majority. Congratulations to Mr. DeMint. The current House GOP is close to realizing his ambition.

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                            @George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                            Honey, We Shrunk the GOP Majority


                            Democrats are lapping Republicans in this year’s election fund-raising, and could that be because GOP donors are wondering what they get for their money? Donors, both small-dollar and large, helped Republicans retake the House in 2022, and all they’ve received in return is a majority that revels in operating like a functional minority.

                            Their departures take the GOP majority down to 217-213, which means the party is a heart attack and absences or flipped votes away from putting Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries in charge. In some sense Mr. Jeffries already is in charge. Speaker Mike Johnson can’t pass legislation the usual way through the Rules Committee and then onto the floor with a simple majority. Every sensible majority that wants to govern packs the Rules Committee with Speaker loyalists. Not this crowd.

                            The anti-governing wing of the House GOP insisted on three of their own for Rules as one price of voting for Kevin McCarthy as Speaker in January 2023. They refuse to vote for Mr. Johnson’s inevitable compromises with Senate Democrats, so Mr. Johnson has to move legislation via the suspension calendar, which requires a two-thirds vote to pass anything. This means he needs Democratic votes, and a lot of them, because Republicans prefer to make futile gestures of opposition rather than vote to fund the government.

                            The practical effect is to reduce Republican leverage in a divided government and make it harder to achieve conservative policy victories. But then the same Members who undercut the majority boast on the House floor and social media that they are the only honest conservatives in Washington. They’re posers masquerading as principled, and they’re treating the voters at home like rubes.

                            Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s motion Friday to oust Mr. Johnson as Speaker exposes the deception behind the coup against Mr. McCarthy. After we criticized that October coup as destructive and self-serving, Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz wrote us a letter saying that in electing Mr. Johnson the GOP now had a real conservative as leader.

                            So what’s wrong with Mr. Johnson now? Apparently because he’s not willing to indulge kamikaze acts like shutting down the government, Mr. Johnson is a sellout too.

                            Conservatives have long had a strong anti-Washington impulse, which is useful given the federal government’s relentless drive to expand its own power. But breaking that drive, and rolling back that power, requires calculation and often incremental gains. All the more so in a divided government.

                            The posers of the House GOP remind us of a comment by former Sen. Jim DeMint that he’d rather have 30 Senators who agreed with him than a Republican majority. Congratulations to Mr. DeMint. The current House GOP is close to realizing his ambition.

                            Johnson probably won't survive, but the rank and file are growing tired of RINOs and idiots. Time for the RINOs to go and for the idiots to shut up.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Remember when the Democrats were considered stupid and the Republicans were considered evil?

                              Those were good times weren’t they?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/03/28/trump-mail-early-voting-republicans/

                                GOP scrambles to organize early and mail voting despite Trump’s attacks
                                .
                                In December, Donald Trump called for the end of mail-in voting in presidential elections. In February, he told Michigan voters that “mail-in voting is totally corrupt.” He later told Fox News host Laura Ingraham that “if you have mail-in balloting, you automatically have fraud.”

                                .
                                “The ballots are a disaster,” he said earlier this month to British TV host Nigel Farage, without offering evidence and despite having voted by mail himself in recent elections. “Any time the mail is involved, you’re going to have cheating. It’s too bad people don’t say it. They don’t want to say it.”

                                .
                                That message is complicating plans by officials at Trump’s campaign and the Republican National Committee to orchestrate aggressive efforts in key battleground states to persuade voters to cast their ballots early and by mail. Party officials say the efforts are crucial to win the election.
                                ...

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                                  https://finance.yahoo.com/news/former-house-speaker-paul-ryan-says-hes-not-voting-for-trump--character-is-too-important-210633204.html

                                  Paul Ryan has no interest in giving Donald Trump another chance come November.

                                  The former House speaker told Yahoo Finance on Tuesday that he doesn't plan to vote for the former president, adding he would be writing in a Republican candidate instead.

                                  “Character is too important for me,” Ryan told us at the Milken Institute Global Conference. “[The presidency] is a job that requires the kind of character [Trump] doesn’t have.”

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                                    https://wapo.st/3JYTTbv

                                    More "top Republicans" refuse to commit to accepting 2024 election results. These include VP-hopefuls like Scott, Burgum, and Stefanik.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      Remember when the Democrats were considered stupid and the Republicans were considered evil?

                                      Those were good times weren’t they?

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                                      @George-K said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                                      Remember when the Democrats were considered stupid and the Republicans were considered evil?

                                      Despite numerous James Bond movies that would indicate otherwise, evil and stupid are clearly not mutually exclusive.

                                      I was only joking

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                                        https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/14/opinion/charlie-gibbs-ohio-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sE0.mvtt.Qe9Tf_hAzfVz

                                        Chris Gibbs, a farmer who raises soybeans, corn and cattle, spent much of his adult life as a leader of the Republican Party in Shelby County, Ohio. He rose from vice chair of the local executive committee to party chairman, a role he served in for seven years, until 2015. Last fall he was elected to a far tougher job: chairman of the Democratic Party in Shelby County, where registered Republicans outnumber Democrats more than eight to one.

                                        In today’s Republican Party, “You either speak with a Trump voice or you’re vaporized,” Mr. Gibbs told me. … “In the Democratic Party, everybody gets a voice. You don’t always get your way, but you get a voice.”

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                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/14/opinion/charlie-gibbs-ohio-democrats.html?unlocked_article_code=1.sE0.mvtt.Qe9Tf_hAzfVz

                                          Chris Gibbs, a farmer who raises soybeans, corn and cattle, spent much of his adult life as a leader of the Republican Party in Shelby County, Ohio. He rose from vice chair of the local executive committee to party chairman, a role he served in for seven years, until 2015. Last fall he was elected to a far tougher job: chairman of the Democratic Party in Shelby County, where registered Republicans outnumber Democrats more than eight to one.

                                          In today’s Republican Party, “You either speak with a Trump voice or you’re vaporized,” Mr. Gibbs told me. … “In the Democratic Party, everybody gets a voice. You don’t always get your way, but you get a voice.”

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                                          @Axtremus said in Whither the GOP post Trump 2020 election loss:

                                          vaporized

                                          Really?

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