KEYSTONE PIPELINE
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 03:51 last edited by
Thanks, Mr. President!
So, one of the first things was stopping the pipeline, thousands lost their jobs. Done. Seems this is different from the last guy.
But, I could be wrong. I've forgotten what the issues are, Mr. President. How about reminding the country why these people needed to lose their jobs as apparently the most important action in the first days of your administration.
I do realize this topic was undoubtedly beat almost to death on this forum, or likely back on the old forum. But what the heck.
Personally, I think closing this pipeline is more figurative and political, than reflecting a deep consciousness for the environment by Biden and the effect upon thousands of future generations. It's like he has restarted an engine that was turned off by Trump in the persuit of MAGA. Jobs number 1, that was Trump. What is Biden's number 1. Ax, you busy?
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Thanks, Mr. President!
So, one of the first things was stopping the pipeline, thousands lost their jobs. Done. Seems this is different from the last guy.
But, I could be wrong. I've forgotten what the issues are, Mr. President. How about reminding the country why these people needed to lose their jobs as apparently the most important action in the first days of your administration.
I do realize this topic was undoubtedly beat almost to death on this forum, or likely back on the old forum. But what the heck.
Personally, I think closing this pipeline is more figurative and political, than reflecting a deep consciousness for the environment by Biden and the effect upon thousands of future generations. It's like he has restarted an engine that was turned off by Trump in the persuit of MAGA. Jobs number 1, that was Trump. What is Biden's number 1. Ax, you busy?
wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 05:09 last edited by@rainman said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
Jobs number 1, that was Trump. What is Biden's number 1. Ax, you busy?
Trump’s #1 was, and still is, Trump himself.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 12:48 last edited by
If the oil goes to China instead what have we won from a climate change point of view and what have we lost geo- politically.
There must be an objective write up somewhere? Or is journalism dead and advocacy all that is left?
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 13:13 last edited by
Mr Biden’s family has debts, elections have consequences
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 13:16 last edited by
My understanding is that this does not impact the already up and running pipeline, just the expansion.
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@rainman said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
Jobs number 1, that was Trump. What is Biden's number 1. Ax, you busy?
Trump’s #1 was, and still is, Trump himself.
Biden’s #1 is the United States and us the people.wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 14:06 last edited by@axtremus said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
@rainman said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
Jobs number 1, that was Trump. What is Biden's number 1. Ax, you busy?
Trump’s #1 was, and still is, Trump himself.
Biden’s #1 is the United States and us the people.Bwhahahahahahaha!
A fifty year veteran of Washington, who has become rich through his "service" to
the people!
Oh, my giddy aunt....
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 14:08 last edited by
I've certainly never been impressed by those who consider themselves compassionate and want to tell you about it. I'm impressed by markets and jobs.
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If the oil goes to China instead what have we won from a climate change point of view and what have we lost geo- politically.
There must be an objective write up somewhere? Or is journalism dead and advocacy all that is left?
wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 19:15 last edited by@loki said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
If the oil goes to China instead what have we won from a climate change point of view and what have we lost geo- politically.
Nothing either way. It's not about climate change or geo-politics. Rather, it's about the market. Right now and in the foreseeable future KXL expansion does not make good business sense. That might change, but I doubt it very much.
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@loki said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
If the oil goes to China instead what have we won from a climate change point of view and what have we lost geo- politically.
Nothing either way. It's not about climate change or geo-politics. Rather, it's about the market. Right now and in the foreseeable future KXL expansion does not make good business sense. That might change, but I doubt it very much.
wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 20:21 last edited by@renauda said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
@loki said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
If the oil goes to China instead what have we won from a climate change point of view and what have we lost geo- politically.
Nothing either way. It's not about climate change or geo-politics. Rather, it's about the market. Right now and in the foreseeable future KXL expansion does not make good business sense. That might change, but I doubt it very much.
Got it... do you think Trudeau asked Biden to buy some or all of the resulting 1.1b of now scrap materials? Trudeau expressed disappointment and I wonder what that meant in their convo.
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@renauda said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
@loki said in KEYSTONE PIPELINE:
If the oil goes to China instead what have we won from a climate change point of view and what have we lost geo- politically.
Nothing either way. It's not about climate change or geo-politics. Rather, it's about the market. Right now and in the foreseeable future KXL expansion does not make good business sense. That might change, but I doubt it very much.
Got it... do you think Trudeau asked Biden to buy some or all of the resulting 1.1b of now scrap materials? Trudeau expressed disappointment and I wonder what that meant in their convo.
wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 20:38 last edited by RenaudaNo. Trudeau expressed disappointment because of the support Canada had given to Alberta's position in support of KXL. Overall though, Canada was quite content with the fact Obama had quashed the project in 2015. As a country we have many more important issues with the US, KXL is not a hill to die on.
As well, it's not up to Trudeau to ask Biden to buy anything. The only one left holding the bag on this is Jason Kenney, Premier of Alberta. He was the one who, against sound advice from his own advisors, dumped $1.6 billion into TCPL and provided another $5+ billion in loan guarantees last spring. Read my posts and links in the other thread that George posted - you'll get the picture .
For most Canadians this is not an issue. Only here in Alberta is it an issue because our provincial government bet on the wrong horse in the US election.
Whose fault is that? Biden's - no. Trudeau's - no. Jason Kenney's - you bet it is. His fault alone. Arrogant little weasel.
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No. Trudeau expressed disappointment because of the support Canada had given to Alberta's position in support of KXL. Overall though, Canada was quite content with the fact Obama had quashed the project in 2015. As a country we have many more important issues with the US, KXL is not a hill to die on.
As well, it's not up to Trudeau to ask Biden to buy anything. The only one left holding the bag on this is Jason Kenney, Premier of Alberta. He was the one who, against sound advice from his own advisors, dumped $1.6 billion into TCPL and provided another $5+ billion in loan guarantees last spring. Read my posts and links in the other thread that George posted - you'll get the picture .
For most Canadians this is not an issue. Only here in Alberta is it an issue because our provincial government bet on the wrong horse in the US election.
Whose fault is that? Biden's - no. Trudeau's - no. Jason Kenney's - you bet it is. His fault alone. Arrogant little weasel.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2021, 15:35 last edited by
What the AB gov't is not saying:
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wrote on 25 Jan 2021, 16:48 last edited by
Local op-ed from last week on the Jason Kenney show:
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wrote on 25 Jan 2021, 19:44 last edited by
Thanks for the links, Renauda.
Seems like quite a mess, and Kenney is getting his comeuppance.
So, what happens to the miles of pipeline that have been built, and all the support buildings etc.?
I don't get it. How could a project such as Keystone be based upon the whims of the two parties in the U.S.? On-again off-again easy to predict, just depends on which pary owns the executive branch.
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Thanks for the links, Renauda.
Seems like quite a mess, and Kenney is getting his comeuppance.
So, what happens to the miles of pipeline that have been built, and all the support buildings etc.?
I don't get it. How could a project such as Keystone be based upon the whims of the two parties in the U.S.? On-again off-again easy to predict, just depends on which pary owns the executive branch.
I can certainly see how Albertians are pissed, Kenney must have bet on a second term of Trump.wrote on 26 Jan 2021, 01:59 last edited by RenaudaAs my Member of Parliament, Edmonton-Strathcona NDP Heather McPherson, said today in the House of Commons in Ottawa:
"Biden's decision should have come as no surprise....Remember when Jason Kenney gambled on Donald Trump. He didn't gamble his money — he gambled ours … that was his plan to get jobs for workers in my province,...Now, he wants to start a trade war with the U.S., the customer for 95 per cent of our energy exports."
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wrote on 9 Jun 2021, 22:45 last edited by
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/06/09/keystone-pipeline-dead/
“[TC Energy Corporation] The firm behind the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline officially terminated the project on Wednesday …”
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wrote on 9 Jun 2021, 22:54 last edited by
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