NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence
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@jon-nyc said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
It wasn’t per se.
This wasn’t “let’s kill Pence. Haha just kidding.”
The obvious joke was about how the more Trumpy right grew to dislike him since the election.
You yourself found huge rhetorical fuel behind the threat to democracy finally established after the election. Why not be charitable and think the "more Trumpy" right saw what you saw?
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wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 02:43 last edited by
It's an obscure joke, because Trump supporters who now hate Pence are an obscure tribe. I welcome you to find something written on the internet somewhere to establish a widespread idea along those lines.
Therefore I declare it not a funny joke, in that it has so little truth to it, and I am offended by its unfunniness.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 02:53 last edited by
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wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 02:55 last edited by
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wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 03:04 last edited by
Interesting the president of the center has deleted the tweet announcing they had parted ways with the OP.
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Madonna: "I have dreamed about bombing the White House."
Depp: "When's the last time an actor assassinated a president?"
Those were jokes too, right?
Sorry to be an ignoranus, but what, exactly was the joke about Pence?
wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 11:45 last edited by@george-k said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Sorry to be an ignoranus, but what, exactly was the joke about Pence?
The joke is that the only thing the lefties and righties can agree on is that Mike Pence is a very bad man.
Obviously, it was a really stupid thing to say, even as a joke.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 13:26 last edited by
It so funny watching people not really asking whether it’s a joke but rather who gets to say when a comment with the “wrong” words is a joke.
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wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 22:47 last edited by
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@george-k said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Sorry to be an ignoranus, but what, exactly was the joke about Pence?
The joke is that the only thing the lefties and righties can agree on is that Mike Pence is a very bad man.
Obviously, it was a really stupid thing to say, even as a joke.
wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 23:00 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
@george-k said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Sorry to be an ignoranus, but what, exactly was the joke about Pence?
The joke is that the only thing the lefties and righties can agree on is that Mike Pence is a very bad man.
No, the left wants to convince people that the right thinks Pence is a really bad man.
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@doctor-phibes said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
@george-k said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Sorry to be an ignoranus, but what, exactly was the joke about Pence?
The joke is that the only thing the lefties and righties can agree on is that Mike Pence is a very bad man.
No, the left wants to convince people that the right thinks Pence is a really bad man.
wrote on 22 Jan 2021, 23:12 last edited by@horace said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
@doctor-phibes said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
@george-k said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Sorry to be an ignoranus, but what, exactly was the joke about Pence?
The joke is that the only thing the lefties and righties can agree on is that Mike Pence is a very bad man.
No, the left wants to convince people that the right thinks Pence is a really bad man.
Anybody who previously wanted to blame Pence for ruining the day of rapture knows otherwise now.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 00:10 last edited by
Why exactly do we give a shit about this guy?
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Why exactly do we give a shit about this guy?
wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 00:52 last edited by@lufins-dad said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Why exactly do we give a shit about this guy?
I don't think anybody does, to be honest.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 02:13 last edited by
This affair has produced several hypocrisies. First, if the Niskanen Center "draws the line at statements that are, or can in any way be interpreted as, condoning or promoting violence," then it would have to fire its president. Taylor has arguably used Twitter in a manner that suggests he condones violence. He rooted for antifa to punch out Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple who waved their guns at protesters encountered on their private street. "If I were in that march, and these racist lunatics were waiving [sic] guns at me, I'd like to think I'd rush them and beat their brains in," said Taylor. "And I wouldn't apologize for it for one goddam [sic] second."
Unlike Wilkinson's tweet, there's little reason to assume this was meant in jest. And unlike Wilkinson, Taylor is the president of the organization and sets the tone for what is permissible. If the boss can tweet an unapologetic call to "beat their brains in," his employees might very well think that edgy humor is okay. Perhaps that's why Taylor deleted his statement regarding Wilkinson's firing—he realized that it impugned him as well. (Neither Taylor nor a spokesperson for the Niskanen Center responded to a request for comment. Wilkinson declined to comment.)
Another hypocrisy concerns the conservative news outlets that wrote about Wilkinson in the first place. Both The Federalist and The Daily Caller complain constantly about cancel culture, and favorably cover those who criticize it. They are often right to do so. (In fact, I have been quoted in The Federalist, The Daily Caller, and even a Niskanen Center report, about the perils of cancellation.) But when the time came to show the exact sort of mercy they otherwise would have called for had the subject been a victim of left-wing activists or the mainstream media, these elements of the right poured gasoline on this fire without any hesitation.
If you only criticize cancel culture when it's your side being canceled, then you aren't really attacking the concept—you're just playing defense for your team. That's why it's important to speak out on behalf of those facing social media mob justice, even when the victim is not a member of one's own ideological coalition.
Indeed, given that I am primarily known for criticizing cancel culture, Wilkinson—who once tweeted "Cancel culture, lol" and also suggested I branch out to "slightly more important stories"—may be the closest thing I have to an ideological foe. In that spirit, I oppose his firing, and encourage his employers to reconsider.
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@doctor-phibes said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
@george-k said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Sorry to be an ignoranus, but what, exactly was the joke about Pence?
The joke is that the only thing the lefties and righties can agree on is that Mike Pence is a very bad man.
No, the left wants to convince people that the right thinks Pence is a really bad man.
wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 18:08 last edited by@horace said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
@doctor-phibes said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
@george-k said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Sorry to be an ignoranus, but what, exactly was the joke about Pence?
The joke is that the only thing the lefties and righties can agree on is that Mike Pence is a very bad man.
No, the left wants to convince people that the right thinks Pence is a really bad man.
My neighbour's Trump-Pence sign is still up, with the Pence crossed-out. It makes me laugh every time I see it.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 18:13 last edited by
Did Pence do something that upset your neighbour?
Personally I always thought Pence was doing as good a job anyone could do under the circumstances he worked.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 18:17 last edited by
I think the Trumpiest ones were fine with him until he refused to try to overturn the election by unilaterally canceling certain states electoral votes.
The republicans that broke with Trump on his post election antics tended to gain respect for him, not wish him executed.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 18:26 last edited by
Will is toast by his own tribe and Pence is just fine.
That’s the real outcome.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 18:37 last edited by
Yeah, the ones calling for Pence’s (literal) head were nothingfries on the plate with the nothingburger.
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Yeah, the ones calling for Pence’s (literal) head were nothingfries on the plate with the nothingburger.
wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 18:44 last edited by Loki@jon-nyc said in NYT opinion writer calls for lynching Pence:
Yeah, the ones calling for Pence’s (literal) head were nothingfries on the plate with the nothingburger.
Actually they were part of a day of rapture cult. Cults have always existed and always well. You see it’s ultimately not logical to think a human can intervene to stop the day of rapture. The conclusion is it was the wrong day and false leader, get with the program, Jon.
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wrote on 23 Jan 2021, 18:46 last edited by
Logical. Right.
