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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #1

    Heh:

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/01/13/attack-on-capitol-partially-coordinated-on-twitter-will-apple-google-and-amazon-ban-it-now-n1336583

    The FBI warned law enforcement agencies prior to the assault on the U.S. Capitol last week that there would be potential violence, reports the Associated Press. This report contradicts earlier statements that they were caught off-guard by the incident.

    Both Google and Apple removed the app Parler from their app stores, claiming the free speech alternative social media platform was used to coordinate the assault on the Capitol. However, according to the Associated Press, Twitter was also used for this purpose.

    Defense and National Guard officials, including McCarthy, have said in interviews over the past several days they were told by D.C. that they believed the protests would be similar to the ones on Nov. 14 and Dec. 12. And they said that federal law enforcement authorities said that there was activity on Twitter, but that they weren’t expecting the level of violence they ultimately saw last Wednesday.

    Activity on Twitter? Wasn’t “activity” on Parler the excuse for dropping the app from the Google Play and Apple app stores, and for Amazon to stop hosting them?

    Yup.

    Apple, Google, and Amazon now have a choice: Either restore Parler or ban Twitter. If they don’t, Parler, which is now suing Amazon for breach of contract, can now claim with evidence that they were discriminated against, and can similarly sue Apple and Google for discrimination.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Copper
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      @george-k said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

      Parler, which is now suing Amazon for breach of contract, can now claim with evidence that they were discriminated against

      So what?

      Does that discrimination break a law?

      Maybe it's not nice or mean or something, but illegal?

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      • George KG George K

        Heh:

        https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/01/13/attack-on-capitol-partially-coordinated-on-twitter-will-apple-google-and-amazon-ban-it-now-n1336583

        The FBI warned law enforcement agencies prior to the assault on the U.S. Capitol last week that there would be potential violence, reports the Associated Press. This report contradicts earlier statements that they were caught off-guard by the incident.

        Both Google and Apple removed the app Parler from their app stores, claiming the free speech alternative social media platform was used to coordinate the assault on the Capitol. However, according to the Associated Press, Twitter was also used for this purpose.

        Defense and National Guard officials, including McCarthy, have said in interviews over the past several days they were told by D.C. that they believed the protests would be similar to the ones on Nov. 14 and Dec. 12. And they said that federal law enforcement authorities said that there was activity on Twitter, but that they weren’t expecting the level of violence they ultimately saw last Wednesday.

        Activity on Twitter? Wasn’t “activity” on Parler the excuse for dropping the app from the Google Play and Apple app stores, and for Amazon to stop hosting them?

        Yup.

        Apple, Google, and Amazon now have a choice: Either restore Parler or ban Twitter. If they don’t, Parler, which is now suing Amazon for breach of contract, can now claim with evidence that they were discriminated against, and can similarly sue Apple and Google for discrimination.

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        jon-nyc
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        @george-k said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

        Activity on Twitter? Wasn’t “activity” on Parler the excuse for dropping the app from the Google Play and Apple app stores, and for Amazon to stop hosting them?

        No. It was the fact that they didn't have a process to monitor for it.

        You were warned.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          @george-k said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

          Activity on Twitter? Wasn’t “activity” on Parler the excuse for dropping the app from the Google Play and Apple app stores, and for Amazon to stop hosting them?

          No. It was the fact that they didn't have a process to monitor for it.

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          George K
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          @jon-nyc said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

          It was the fact that they didn't have a process to monitor for it.

          That's true.

          OTOH, Twitter's monitoring process was ineffective.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            xenon
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            I think twitter is fairly bad at moderation. But, I really do sympathize with their monumental task.

            They're at the forefront of figuring out what our society's relationship with social media should be. Their primary mission is still profit. It's not an academic problem for them.

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              George K
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              While we're at it, let's ban Facebook for allowing coordination:

              Facebook’s Sandberg deflected blame for Capitol riot, but new evidence shows how platform played role

              In the days leading up to last week’s march on the Capitol, supporters of President Trump promoted it extensively on Facebook and Facebook-owned Instagram and used the services to organize bus trips to Washington. More than 100,000 users posted hashtags affiliated with the movement prompted by baseless claims of election fraud, including #StopTheSteal and #FightForTrump.

              The details, emerging from researchers who have combed the service in recent days, shed new light on how Facebook services were used to bring attention to and boost attendance at the rally, which turned violent when a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol while Congress was in session. The attack resulted in the death of a Capitol Police officer and four other people.

              Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg has sought to deflect blame, noting the role of smaller, right-leaning services such as Parler and Gab.

              "I think these events were largely organized on platforms that don’t have our abilities to stop hate, don’t have our standards and don’t have our transparency,” Sandberg said in an interview Monday that was live-streamed by Reuters.

              She noted that last week the company took down content affiliated with the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory and the Proud Boys extremist group, as well as content affiliated with the pro-Trump “Stop the Steal” movement seeking to delegitimize election results. She said there was likely to be some content on Facebook because the company’s enforcement was “never perfect.”

              ...

              In a statement, Facebook spokeswoman Liz Bourgeois said, “Sheryl began by noting these events were organized online, including on our platforms — with the clear suggestion we have a role here.”

              “She was making the point, which has been made by many journalists and academics, that our crackdowns on QAnon, militia and hate groups has meant large amounts of activity has migrated to other platforms with fewer rules and enforcement,” Bourgeois added. She denied that Sandberg sought to deflect blame.

              A meme posted on Facebook on Jan. 5 called for “Operation Occupy the Capitol” and promoted the hashtag #1776Rebel, according to a screenshot posted by Media Matters, referencing the year America freed itself from British rule. The post also included a quote from Abraham Lincoln: "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who would pervert the Constitution.”
              The existence of the post was first reported by NBC News. Media Matters showed that it was circulated by Republican Party officials in Georgia, Texas, North Carolina and Oregon.
              On Dec. 28, a Facebook account called Women for America First posted about a march for Trump in Huntington Beach, Calif., with a photo of a bus and a link to a website at trumpmarch.com.
              And the New Hanover County GOP of North Carolina wrote in a Facebook post advertising bus seats: “This is a call to ALL patriots from Donald J Trump for a BIG protest in Washington DC! TAKE AMERICA BACK! BE THERE, WILL BE WILD!”

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                While we're at it, let's ban Facebook for allowing coordination:

                Facebook’s Sandberg deflected blame for Capitol riot, but new evidence shows how platform played role

                In the days leading up to last week’s march on the Capitol, supporters of President Trump promoted it extensively on Facebook and Facebook-owned Instagram and used the services to organize bus trips to Washington. More than 100,000 users posted hashtags affiliated with the movement prompted by baseless claims of election fraud, including #StopTheSteal and #FightForTrump.

                The details, emerging from researchers who have combed the service in recent days, shed new light on how Facebook services were used to bring attention to and boost attendance at the rally, which turned violent when a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol while Congress was in session. The attack resulted in the death of a Capitol Police officer and four other people.

                Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg has sought to deflect blame, noting the role of smaller, right-leaning services such as Parler and Gab.

                "I think these events were largely organized on platforms that don’t have our abilities to stop hate, don’t have our standards and don’t have our transparency,” Sandberg said in an interview Monday that was live-streamed by Reuters.

                She noted that last week the company took down content affiliated with the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory and the Proud Boys extremist group, as well as content affiliated with the pro-Trump “Stop the Steal” movement seeking to delegitimize election results. She said there was likely to be some content on Facebook because the company’s enforcement was “never perfect.”

                ...

                In a statement, Facebook spokeswoman Liz Bourgeois said, “Sheryl began by noting these events were organized online, including on our platforms — with the clear suggestion we have a role here.”

                “She was making the point, which has been made by many journalists and academics, that our crackdowns on QAnon, militia and hate groups has meant large amounts of activity has migrated to other platforms with fewer rules and enforcement,” Bourgeois added. She denied that Sandberg sought to deflect blame.

                A meme posted on Facebook on Jan. 5 called for “Operation Occupy the Capitol” and promoted the hashtag #1776Rebel, according to a screenshot posted by Media Matters, referencing the year America freed itself from British rule. The post also included a quote from Abraham Lincoln: "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who would pervert the Constitution.”
                The existence of the post was first reported by NBC News. Media Matters showed that it was circulated by Republican Party officials in Georgia, Texas, North Carolina and Oregon.
                On Dec. 28, a Facebook account called Women for America First posted about a march for Trump in Huntington Beach, Calif., with a photo of a bus and a link to a website at trumpmarch.com.
                And the New Hanover County GOP of North Carolina wrote in a Facebook post advertising bus seats: “This is a call to ALL patriots from Donald J Trump for a BIG protest in Washington DC! TAKE AMERICA BACK! BE THERE, WILL BE WILD!”

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                @george-k said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

                While we're at it, let's ban Facebook for allowing coordination:

                Facebook’s Sandberg deflected blame for Capitol riot, but new evidence shows how platform played role

                In the days leading up to last week’s march on the Capitol, supporters of President Trump promoted it extensively on Facebook and Facebook-owned Instagram and used the services to organize bus trips to Washington. More than 100,000 users posted hashtags affiliated with the movement prompted by baseless claims of election fraud, including #StopTheSteal and #FightForTrump.

                The details, emerging from researchers who have combed the service in recent days, shed new light on how Facebook services were used to bring attention to and boost attendance at the rally, which turned violent when a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol while Congress was in session. The attack resulted in the death of a Capitol Police officer and four other people.

                Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg has sought to deflect blame, noting the role of smaller, right-leaning services such as Parler and Gab.

                "I think these events were largely organized on platforms that don’t have our abilities to stop hate, don’t have our standards and don’t have our transparency,” Sandberg said in an interview Monday that was live-streamed by Reuters.

                She noted that last week the company took down content affiliated with the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory and the Proud Boys extremist group, as well as content affiliated with the pro-Trump “Stop the Steal” movement seeking to delegitimize election results. She said there was likely to be some content on Facebook because the company’s enforcement was “never perfect.”

                ...

                In a statement, Facebook spokeswoman Liz Bourgeois said, “Sheryl began by noting these events were organized online, including on our platforms — with the clear suggestion we have a role here.”

                “She was making the point, which has been made by many journalists and academics, that our crackdowns on QAnon, militia and hate groups has meant large amounts of activity has migrated to other platforms with fewer rules and enforcement,” Bourgeois added. She denied that Sandberg sought to deflect blame.

                A meme posted on Facebook on Jan. 5 called for “Operation Occupy the Capitol” and promoted the hashtag #1776Rebel, according to a screenshot posted by Media Matters, referencing the year America freed itself from British rule. The post also included a quote from Abraham Lincoln: "We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the Courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who would pervert the Constitution.”
                The existence of the post was first reported by NBC News. Media Matters showed that it was circulated by Republican Party officials in Georgia, Texas, North Carolina and Oregon.
                On Dec. 28, a Facebook account called Women for America First posted about a march for Trump in Huntington Beach, Calif., with a photo of a bus and a link to a website at trumpmarch.com.
                And the New Hanover County GOP of North Carolina wrote in a Facebook post advertising bus seats: “This is a call to ALL patriots from Donald J Trump for a BIG protest in Washington DC! TAKE AMERICA BACK! BE THERE, WILL BE WILD!”

                100% facebook was used to coordinate. They admitted a little while back that the violence in Burma was organized on FB.

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                  We won't need to worry as much in a few months once the Bill Gates developed microchip in the COVID vaccine is implanted in everyone. They'll know what we're thinking and where we are at all times.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Heh:

                    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/01/13/attack-on-capitol-partially-coordinated-on-twitter-will-apple-google-and-amazon-ban-it-now-n1336583

                    The FBI warned law enforcement agencies prior to the assault on the U.S. Capitol last week that there would be potential violence, reports the Associated Press. This report contradicts earlier statements that they were caught off-guard by the incident.

                    Both Google and Apple removed the app Parler from their app stores, claiming the free speech alternative social media platform was used to coordinate the assault on the Capitol. However, according to the Associated Press, Twitter was also used for this purpose.

                    Defense and National Guard officials, including McCarthy, have said in interviews over the past several days they were told by D.C. that they believed the protests would be similar to the ones on Nov. 14 and Dec. 12. And they said that federal law enforcement authorities said that there was activity on Twitter, but that they weren’t expecting the level of violence they ultimately saw last Wednesday.

                    Activity on Twitter? Wasn’t “activity” on Parler the excuse for dropping the app from the Google Play and Apple app stores, and for Amazon to stop hosting them?

                    Yup.

                    Apple, Google, and Amazon now have a choice: Either restore Parler or ban Twitter. If they don’t, Parler, which is now suing Amazon for breach of contract, can now claim with evidence that they were discriminated against, and can similarly sue Apple and Google for discrimination.

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                    @george-k said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

                    The FBI warned law enforcement agencies prior to the assault on the U.S. Capitol last week that there would be potential violence, reports the Associated Press

                    If true, why would political leaders - chiefly Trump - pour gasoline on the fire?

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                      Copper
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                      I just searched for #stopthesteal on Facebook.

                      It might be the first time I have searched on Facebook.

                      Facebook won't show the results because they are bad, and Facebook censors bad

                      However, if you search for #stopthestea you get lots of hits and no censorship and everyone is talking about stopping the steal.

                      They aren't very good at censoring,

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                        @george-k said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

                        The FBI warned law enforcement agencies prior to the assault on the U.S. Capitol last week that there would be potential violence, reports the Associated Press

                        If true, why would political leaders - chiefly Trump - pour gasoline on the fire?

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        @xenon said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

                        @george-k said in Ban Twitter from Apple, Google, Amazon?:

                        The FBI warned law enforcement agencies prior to the assault on the U.S. Capitol last week that there would be potential violence, reports the Associated Press

                        If true, why would political leaders - chiefly Trump - pour gasoline on the fire?

                        Because it was a cunning stunt?

                        I was only joking

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