Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?
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I’ m surprised that the no-fly list method of choosing people to ban has never, afaik, been tested in court. I remember reading something about how capricious it can be with many innocent people being banned.
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The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@jon-nyc said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
Once every participant has experienced a heavy personal cost.
Hmmm, going to jail and going on a terror watch list seems like a pretty heavy personal cost...
I think the real question involves how you define participant.
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@jon-nyc said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
Once every participant has experienced a heavy personal cost.
Hmmm, going to jail and going on a terror watch list seems like a pretty heavy personal cost...
I think the real question involves how you define participant.
@lufins-dad said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
@jon-nyc said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
Once every participant has experienced a heavy personal cost.
Hmmm, going to jail and going on a terror watch list seems like a pretty heavy personal cost...
I think the real question involves how you define participant.
Any of those in the protest who made the mistake of following the part of the mob through the unguarded doors.
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Violent vs non violent differentiation is something that should be considered.
Also what about first offenders? Zero tolerance has been savaged by the left, are we going to say it’s different for white people?
I fully support no fly for violent Capitol offenders.
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I would be inclined to agree that those caught up in the flow of the mob around them through unguarded doors of the capitol but who never destroyed people or property should be treated with some leniency.
@horace said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I would be inclined to agree that those caught up in the flow of the mob around them through unguarded doors of the capitol but who never destroyed people or property should be treated with some leniency.
Unlawful entry of a federal facility with intent to disrupt the government from carrying out its lawful duties?
I'd be ok with that.
Short term jail sentence.
The rest of them belong in jail for years.
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Violent vs non violent differentiation is something that should be considered.
Also what about first offenders? Zero tolerance has been savaged by the left, are we going to say it’s different for white people?
I fully support no fly for violent Capitol offenders.
@loki said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I fully support no fly for violent Capitol offenders.
Sure once they are convicted of breaking a law that has the no-fly list included on the list of possible sentences.
A list like this:
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/criminal-sentencing.html
Choice of Sentences
Judges in most cases have a great deal of discretion when determining a sentence and have several sentencing alternatives from which to choose, from diversion to incarceration. Not every conviction means a trip to prison and alternative sentences can include:
Suspended sentences;
Fines or restitution;
Community service;
Deferred adjudication or pretrial diversion; and
Probation.
Additionally, there are many different types of sentences. Multiple sentences can be served concurrently (at the same time) or consecutively (one after another), and single sentences could be deferred or suspended based on certain conditions.
As opposed to an ad-hoc lynch mob.
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I’ m surprised that the no-fly list method of choosing people to ban has never, afaik, been tested in court. I remember reading something about how capricious it can be with many innocent people being banned.
@george-k said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I’ m surprised that the no-fly list method of choosing people to ban has never, afaik, been tested in court. I remember reading something about how capricious it can be with many innocent people being banned.
Yes, we have had several incidences up here in which infants and preschoolers have been barred from flights with their families because their names showed up on our own No Fly list which, I understand, is derived or linked to the US database. I understand though that both governments have been working to correct this problem and changes either have been implemented or will soon be implemented.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/21/canada-us-tuscan-anti-terrorist-database-at-borders
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I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
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Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
@jolly said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
Anybody who thinks standards should apply is probably the wrong sort of person to be thinking about this.
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Wanna see a guy kirk out because he was kicked off a plane for invading the Capitol?
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Wanna see a guy kirk out because he was kicked off a plane for invading the Capitol?
@aqua-letifer said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
Wanna see a guy kirk out because he was kicked off a plane for invading the Capitol?
What’s the fewest number of molecules you can make a violin out of?
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I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
@jolly said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
I don't approve of limiting American citizens' right to use public transportation just because you think someone named that might do something.
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They haven’t put these guys on a list. It’s just a proposal.
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