Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:03 last edited by
So, at what point do we all begin to understand that even in the absence of impeachment, there have been massive social repercussions to the Capitol invasion?
Or maybe I should say the My First Capitol Invasion(tm) Tinker Toy set.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:06 last edited by
Once every participant has experienced a heavy personal cost.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:11 last edited by
All they had to do was reinforce the cockpit doors.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:12 last edited by
I’ m surprised that the no-fly list method of choosing people to ban has never, afaik, been tested in court. I remember reading something about how capricious it can be with many innocent people being banned.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:13 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
Once every participant has experienced a heavy personal cost.
Hmmm, going to jail and going on a terror watch list seems like a pretty heavy personal cost...
I think the real question involves how you define participant.
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@jon-nyc said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
Once every participant has experienced a heavy personal cost.
Hmmm, going to jail and going on a terror watch list seems like a pretty heavy personal cost...
I think the real question involves how you define participant.
wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:15 last edited by@lufins-dad said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
@jon-nyc said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
Once every participant has experienced a heavy personal cost.
Hmmm, going to jail and going on a terror watch list seems like a pretty heavy personal cost...
I think the real question involves how you define participant.
Any of those in the protest who made the mistake of following the part of the mob through the unguarded doors.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:19 last edited by
Agree with Horace. Just the invaders themselves.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:26 last edited by Loki 1 Dec 2021, 17:28
Violent vs non violent differentiation is something that should be considered.
Also what about first offenders? Zero tolerance has been savaged by the left, are we going to say it’s different for white people?
I fully support no fly for violent Capitol offenders.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 17:31 last edited by
I would be inclined to agree that those caught up in the flow of the mob around them through unguarded doors of the capitol but who never destroyed people or property should be treated with some leniency.
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I would be inclined to agree that those caught up in the flow of the mob around them through unguarded doors of the capitol but who never destroyed people or property should be treated with some leniency.
wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 18:05 last edited by mark 1 Dec 2021, 18:06@horace said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I would be inclined to agree that those caught up in the flow of the mob around them through unguarded doors of the capitol but who never destroyed people or property should be treated with some leniency.
Unlawful entry of a federal facility with intent to disrupt the government from carrying out its lawful duties?
I'd be ok with that.
Short term jail sentence.
The rest of them belong in jail for years.
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Violent vs non violent differentiation is something that should be considered.
Also what about first offenders? Zero tolerance has been savaged by the left, are we going to say it’s different for white people?
I fully support no fly for violent Capitol offenders.
wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 18:11 last edited by@loki said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I fully support no fly for violent Capitol offenders.
Sure once they are convicted of breaking a law that has the no-fly list included on the list of possible sentences.
A list like this:
https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/criminal-sentencing.html
Choice of Sentences
Judges in most cases have a great deal of discretion when determining a sentence and have several sentencing alternatives from which to choose, from diversion to incarceration. Not every conviction means a trip to prison and alternative sentences can include:
Suspended sentences;
Fines or restitution;
Community service;
Deferred adjudication or pretrial diversion; and
Probation.
Additionally, there are many different types of sentences. Multiple sentences can be served concurrently (at the same time) or consecutively (one after another), and single sentences could be deferred or suspended based on certain conditions.
As opposed to an ad-hoc lynch mob.
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I’ m surprised that the no-fly list method of choosing people to ban has never, afaik, been tested in court. I remember reading something about how capricious it can be with many innocent people being banned.
wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 18:45 last edited by@george-k said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I’ m surprised that the no-fly list method of choosing people to ban has never, afaik, been tested in court. I remember reading something about how capricious it can be with many innocent people being banned.
Yes, we have had several incidences up here in which infants and preschoolers have been barred from flights with their families because their names showed up on our own No Fly list which, I understand, is derived or linked to the US database. I understand though that both governments have been working to correct this problem and changes either have been implemented or will soon be implemented.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/21/canada-us-tuscan-anti-terrorist-database-at-borders
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 19:06 last edited by Copper 1 Dec 2021, 19:07
I believe one of the more famous cases was Ted Kennedy being on the list and he was prohibited from flying.
It turned out to be a different Ted Kennedy.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 19:14 last edited by
I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
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I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 19:20 last edited by@jolly said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
Anybody who thinks standards should apply is probably the wrong sort of person to be thinking about this.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 21:41 last edited by Aqua Letifer 1 Dec 2021, 21:43
Wanna see a guy kirk out because he was kicked off a plane for invading the Capitol?
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Wanna see a guy kirk out because he was kicked off a plane for invading the Capitol?
wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 21:47 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
Wanna see a guy kirk out because he was kicked off a plane for invading the Capitol?
What’s the fewest number of molecules you can make a violin out of?
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I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 21:49 last edited by@jolly said in Capitol Invaders to be put on the No Fly List?:
I'm old-fashioned, so I think for a citizen to be put on a no-fly list, you should be convicted of something like...domestic terrorism, perhaps?
I don't approve of limiting American citizens' right to use public transportation just because you think someone named that might do something.
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wrote on 12 Jan 2021, 21:56 last edited by
They haven’t put these guys on a list. It’s just a proposal.
According to a statement from American Airlines, the video was taken on Friday at Charlotte Douglas International Airport. The company confirmed that the man in the video was removed from a flight to Denver for refusing to comply with the company's policies requiring face coverings for all passengers over the age of 2.
