What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?
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@doctor-phibes said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
There was no glee from me, and I sure as hell wasn't happy to see people die, whatever you might choose to imply about me, Jolly.
Same. I feel sadness mainly.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 15:11 last edited by Catseye3 1 Jul 2021, 15:12@taiwan_girl said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
@doctor-phibes said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
There was no glee from me, and I sure as hell wasn't happy to see people die, whatever you might choose to imply about me, Jolly.
Same. I feel sadness mainly.
Very much ditto.
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@jon-nyc said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
Yeah, I posted about the 4 deaths yesterday. Or maybe this morning early.
I was about to post again, wondering what the deal was with 3 medical deaths. Seems highly unusual.
Yeah all I heard was 4 deaths and I was horrified and then this morning the caveat came in and I said what the fuck was I played? Yeah 1 is 1 too many but the context for the 4 was played to the hilt. Trust in news down again just as I was willing to listen.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 15:13 last edited by jon-nyc 1 Jul 2021, 15:15It just seems like too many random heart attacks for a crowd that size, no?
I wonder if there were folks with underlying breathing issues caught in a stampede or compressed in a crowd or something.
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wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 15:23 last edited by
The arrests
Four people are dead, 52 are arrested and 14 DC Police officers have been injured
Four of those arrested were charged with carrying a pistol without a license, possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device, possession of unregistered ammunition, according to DC Police. 47 were arrested because of disobeying the curfew put in place by DC's Mayor Bowser from 6 p.m. on Wednesday until 6 a.m. on Thursday. One person was arrested for possession of a prohibited weapon, which earlier Wednesday was described by DC Police as "illegal fireworks."
Of the 52 people arrested by DC Police, 26 of them were arrested at the US Capitol Building.
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It just seems like too many random heart attacks for a crowd that size, no?
I wonder if there were folks with underlying breathing issues caught in a stampede or compressed in a crowd or something.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 15:26 last edited by@jon-nyc said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
It just seems like too many random heart attacks for a crowd that size, no?
I wonder if there were folks with underlying breathing issues caught in a stampede or compressed in a crowd or something.
I found 3 medical emergency deaths highly unusual too. So the stampede thought makes a ton of sense.
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@jolly said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
@doctor-phibes said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
There was no glee from me, and I sure as hell wasn't happy to see people die, whatever you might choose to imply about me, Jolly.
I'm not implying. I'm painting you all with a nice four-inch paintbrush. I can positively hear the chuckles from some of you, as you sit in self-righteous glory, seeing that filth get what they deserve. If it's a horrible story and Trump or his supporters are involved, it is time for some to rejoice. To wallow in the sheer joy of victory. Let the MAGATs hit the floor!
I see this differently. I think it's a very sad day when citizens are so riled up or aggrieved, they storm the Capitol. I have no problem defending the building or the people inside with deadly force. I think that we have not been as aggressive as needed in more than one Washington incident. Same opinion for other cities, such as Portland.
I don't think it's a day to dance around the living room bunker, laughing about a Trump political defeat. I think it's a day to ask one's self, How did we get here?. Sure, there are always nuts on both sides, but Trump exists for a reason and so do the millions of votes that were cast for him. There is also a reason why millions think this last Presidential election was rigged.
Some of you might reflect on how the people in those overwhelmingly red counties feel, and why they voted as they did. But I doubt that most of you will. You're too busy scoring political points and enjoying yourselves...
+1
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 16:47 last edited by@horace said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
@jolly said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
@doctor-phibes said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
There was no glee from me, and I sure as hell wasn't happy to see people die, whatever you might choose to imply about me, Jolly.
I'm not implying. I'm painting you all with a nice four-inch paintbrush. I can positively hear the chuckles from some of you, as you sit in self-righteous glory, seeing that filth get what they deserve. If it's a horrible story and Trump or his supporters are involved, it is time for some to rejoice. To wallow in the sheer joy of victory. Let the MAGATs hit the floor!
I see this differently. I think it's a very sad day when citizens are so riled up or aggrieved, they storm the Capitol. I have no problem defending the building or the people inside with deadly force. I think that we have not been as aggressive as needed in more than one Washington incident. Same opinion for other cities, such as Portland.
I don't think it's a day to dance around the living room bunker, laughing about a Trump political defeat. I think it's a day to ask one's self, How did we get here?. Sure, there are always nuts on both sides, but Trump exists for a reason and so do the millions of votes that were cast for him. There is also a reason why millions think this last Presidential election was rigged.
Some of you might reflect on how the people in those overwhelmingly red counties feel, and why they voted as they did. But I doubt that most of you will. You're too busy scoring political points and enjoying yourselves...
+1
Make that 2.
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@jon-nyc said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
@jolly said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
I see this differently. I think it's a very sad day when citizens are so riled up or aggrieved, they storm the Capitol. I have no problem defending the building or the people inside with deadly force. I think that we have not been as aggressive as needed in more than one Washington incident. Same opinion for other cities, such as Portland.
Nope. THat's not different at all. This part anyway. The difference is, along with the sadness, we have anger directed at the man who did the riling and the enablers that knew better.
Bullshit.
Post after joyous post confirms your absolute orgasmic satisfaction at another Trump loss. It doesn't matter why it happened. It doesn't matter who got hurt, who was killed, why people fought down the halls of the Capitol.
It's all about winning. It's all about power. It's all about Trump or his supporters losing. It's all about MAGAT vermin hitting the floor, isn't it? They got what they deserved, didn't they? After all, people who supported or voted for Trump are idiots. Fools. Imbeciles, drooling as they zombie-shuffle to the voting booth.
Enjoy. Wallow in the shattered glass. Blow up the scenes of the Capitol storming and use them for wall decor. Hell, take the sound recording of the agent's weapon, as he kills a woman in the hallway and use it for the ringtone on your phone.
Enjoy. Enjoy the victory.
But while you're patting yourself on the back after your glorious triumph, do a little introspection. Learn that your vicious hate for Trump or anything associated with him is not good for your soul. Hate eats at a man. It makes him less than what he could be...
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 17:19 last edited by@jolly said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
@jon-nyc said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
@jolly said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
I see this differently. I think it's a very sad day when citizens are so riled up or aggrieved, they storm the Capitol. I have no problem defending the building or the people inside with deadly force. I think that we have not been as aggressive as needed in more than one Washington incident. Same opinion for other cities, such as Portland.
Nope. THat's not different at all. This part anyway. The difference is, along with the sadness, we have anger directed at the man who did the riling and the enablers that knew better.
Bullshit.
Post after joyous post confirms your absolute orgasmic satisfaction at another Trump loss. It doesn't matter why it happened. It doesn't matter who got hurt, who was killed, why people fought down the halls of the Capitol.
It's all about winning. It's all about power. It's all about Trump or his supporters losing. It's all about MAGAT vermin hitting the floor, isn't it? They got what they deserved, didn't they? After all, people who supported or voted for Trump are idiots. Fools. Imbeciles, drooling as they zombie-shuffle to the voting booth.
Enjoy. Wallow in the shattered glass. Blow up the scenes of the Capitol storming and use them for wall decor. Hell, take the sound recording of the agent's weapon, as he kills a woman in the hallway and use it for the ringtone on your phone.
Enjoy. Enjoy the victory.
But while you're patting yourself on the back after your glorious triumph, do a little introspection. Learn that your vicious hate for Trump or anything associated with him is not good for your soul. Hate eats at a man. It makes him less than what he could be...
Unfair criticism, imo. Trump has touched on legitimate qualms, plus in a two party system he's the only choice for right-of-center policy.
So, it's reasonable to choose him over the alternative. I think it's unreasonable to not criticize him on his numerous and massive failures as a leader.
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wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 17:21 last edited by
So much love in this thread, it warms my heart.
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wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 17:29 last edited by
We still love you, Klaus.
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wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 17:49 last edited by Doctor Phibes 1 Jul 2021, 17:49
I wasn't the one chanting 'Traitor', and 'Where the fuck are they? yesterday in Washington.
I haven't told anybody here at TNCR to go fuck themselves, or attacked them for being stupid, or evil.
And yet I'm the hater.
It strikes me that I'm not the only person here who needs to take a long, hard look in the fucking mirror.
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I wasn't the one chanting 'Traitor', and 'Where the fuck are they? yesterday in Washington.
I haven't told anybody here at TNCR to go fuck themselves, or attacked them for being stupid, or evil.
And yet I'm the hater.
It strikes me that I'm not the only person here who needs to take a long, hard look in the fucking mirror.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 17:55 last edited byIndeed.
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I wasn't the one chanting 'Traitor', and 'Where the fuck are they? yesterday in Washington.
I haven't told anybody here at TNCR to go fuck themselves, or attacked them for being stupid, or evil.
And yet I'm the hater.
It strikes me that I'm not the only person here who needs to take a long, hard look in the fucking mirror.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 18:11 last edited by Aqua Letifer 1 Jul 2021, 18:11@doctor-phibes said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
I wasn't the one chanting 'Traitor', and 'Where the fuck are they? yesterday in Washington.
I haven't told anybody here at TNCR to go fuck themselves, or attacked them for being stupid, or evil.
And yet I'm the hater.
It strikes me that I'm not the only person here who needs to take a long, hard look in the fucking mirror.
Yep. Sorry, I don't have to defend my character to people who would sooner move to the moon than publicly admit they were wrong in who they gave their political support to. Explaining yourself to stubborn people who can't make a distinction between winning and the truth. Talk about a waste of time.
I'd say the problem is that too many people look into their reflections a little too fucking much.
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wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 18:28 last edited by Mik 1 Jul 2021, 18:29
I don't think I was wrong in my vote this time around. I still prefer the policies, and that is what I voted for. As is well known I did not vote for him in 2016 as I felt there was a better candidate. I have long said I did not care for the man, but the choice between another Trump term and Biden? Jesus.
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@doctor-phibes said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
I wasn't the one chanting 'Traitor', and 'Where the fuck are they? yesterday in Washington.
I haven't told anybody here at TNCR to go fuck themselves, or attacked them for being stupid, or evil.
And yet I'm the hater.
It strikes me that I'm not the only person here who needs to take a long, hard look in the fucking mirror.
Yep. Sorry, I don't have to defend my character to people who would sooner move to the moon than publicly admit they were wrong in who they gave their political support to. Explaining yourself to stubborn people who can't make a distinction between winning and the truth. Talk about a waste of time.
I'd say the problem is that too many people look into their reflections a little too fucking much.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 18:50 last edited by Copper 1 Jul 2021, 18:52@aqua-letifer said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
people who would sooner move to the moon than publicly admit they were wrong in who they gave their political support to.
For the record
Given a choice between Ms. Clinton and Mr. Trump
I choose Mr. Trump every time, no question, not even close
Given a choice between Mr. Biden and Mr. Trump
I choose Mr. Trump every time, no question, not even close
I'm sure you all realize I can't forgive impolite behavior, but given the options, the choice remains.
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I don't think I was wrong in my vote this time around. I still prefer the policies, and that is what I voted for. As is well known I did not vote for him in 2016 as I felt there was a better candidate. I have long said I did not care for the man, but the choice between another Trump term and Biden? Jesus.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 19:12 last edited by@mik said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
I don't think I was wrong in my vote this time around.
But you also said he fucked up. You even went so far as to say you'd be okay if they explored the 25th as an option. That's a nuanced position to take, but not only is that okay, it's what we're desperately more in need of. Nuanced opinions about complicated matters.
What's not okay and actually pathetic is downplaying yesterday's events, blaming liberals for the invasion and not the sitting president who egged the right-wing extremists on, attempting to discredit myriad state and federal leaders who criticized the president, and attacking people here simply because self-image is more important than facts and relationships.
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wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 19:20 last edited by
What I still cannot fathom is what he - and the protestors - expected to happen. What could possibly have been accomplished? I do not think he is principled enough to have wanted a symbolic act although that was the absolute best thing that could, in my mind anyway, have come out of the day.
A good old friend of mine was there. I saw pictures of him climbing the scaffolding and standing on the portico. After the rawness of this wears off I will have to have a conversation with him about it.
The sheer senselessness of it is why I would support invoking the 25th. His judgement is not to be trusted at this point.
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What I still cannot fathom is what he - and the protestors - expected to happen. What could possibly have been accomplished? I do not think he is principled enough to have wanted a symbolic act although that was the absolute best thing that could, in my mind anyway, have come out of the day.
A good old friend of mine was there. I saw pictures of him climbing the scaffolding and standing on the portico. After the rawness of this wears off I will have to have a conversation with him about it.
The sheer senselessness of it is why I would support invoking the 25th. His judgement is not to be trusted at this point.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 19:28 last edited by@mik said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
The sheer senselessness of it is why I would support invoking the 25th. His judgement is not to be trusted at this point.
Exactly my thought on the 25th as well.
Another fun thing: you know what I see absolutely every damn where online today? Videos of black protesters getting tear-gassed outside of Lafayette juxtaposed with the selfie cops from yesterday. Many, many groups of people can share the blame for all of that, but like last year's riots, yesterday made things so much worse for so many people. It ginned up the Qanon fuckers, BLM extremists, and made it harder for everyone else to just live their lives uninvolved.
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wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 19:31 last edited by
I'd just like say I don't have a problem with people who voted for Trump. I feel, and have always felt, that he's an odious scumbag of the highest order, and not fit to run for office, but I actually do understand why people vote for him, some of whom might even agree with my assessment of him.
If you don't think he's a total scumbag, OK, we can agree to disagree, but please don't try and pretend he's a wonderful person. I can't fucking abide the worship of any politician, and there's too much of it. It was nauseating with Obama (who I would have voted for), and even more hideous with Trump, for me at least.
As far as complaining about crowing about it, give me a fucking break. The amount of bullshit peddled by both sides during every election is highly aggravating. There was plenty of crowing about the dawn of a new age in 2016.
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wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 19:40 last edited by
@doctor-phibes said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
I wasn't the one chanting 'Traitor', and 'Where the fuck are they? yesterday in Washington.
I haven't told anybody here at TNCR to go fuck themselves, or attacked them for being stupid, or evil.
And yet I'm the hater.
It strikes me that I'm not the only person here who needs to take a long, hard look in the fucking mirror.
Aimed at me, I know. My responses like that are not motivated by hate, but by frustration. I get tired of never having my opinions taken seriously, I get tired of the kind of debate thats like herding cats, where no matter how well you nail down a point, the other person shifts to another issue or something, never once saying "you've got a point, I'll think about it". And I get tired of being personally attacked by the same little group of losers, like AndyD for instance - a guy who first attacked me straight out of the blue years ago and has done nothing else since.
And yes, I get tired of the comments like "Trump's massive failures". Trump was one of if not the most successful presidents in history. I don't really care how anyone feels about him personally, but at least have the decency to give the man credit where it's due.
Maybe it's time for me to just move on. There doesn't seem to be room for anyone not willing to join the never ending TDS circle jerk.
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@doctor-phibes said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
I wasn't the one chanting 'Traitor', and 'Where the fuck are they? yesterday in Washington.
I haven't told anybody here at TNCR to go fuck themselves, or attacked them for being stupid, or evil.
And yet I'm the hater.
It strikes me that I'm not the only person here who needs to take a long, hard look in the fucking mirror.
Aimed at me, I know. My responses like that are not motivated by hate, but by frustration. I get tired of never having my opinions taken seriously, I get tired of the kind of debate thats like herding cats, where no matter how well you nail down a point, the other person shifts to another issue or something, never once saying "you've got a point, I'll think about it". And I get tired of being personally attacked by the same little group of losers, like AndyD for instance - a guy who first attacked me straight out of the blue years ago and has done nothing else since.
And yes, I get tired of the comments like "Trump's massive failures". Trump was one of if not the most successful presidents in history. I don't really care how anyone feels about him personally, but at least have the decency to give the man credit where it's due.
Maybe it's time for me to just move on. There doesn't seem to be room for anyone not willing to join the never ending TDS circle jerk.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 19:45 last edited by Doctor Phibes 1 Jul 2021, 19:47@larry said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
Aimed at me, I know.
Not just you, no, but you've said some pretty nasty stuff.
We all say things we probably shouldn't, but then I get accused of being gleeful about somebody dying, and I'm supposed to just grin and bear it. Fuck that. Nothing I have ever said would make this a justifiable charge.
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@mik said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
I don't think I was wrong in my vote this time around.
But you also said he fucked up. You even went so far as to say you'd be okay if they explored the 25th as an option. That's a nuanced position to take, but not only is that okay, it's what we're desperately more in need of. Nuanced opinions about complicated matters.
What's not okay and actually pathetic is downplaying yesterday's events, blaming liberals for the invasion and not the sitting president who egged the right-wing extremists on, attempting to discredit myriad state and federal leaders who criticized the president, and attacking people here simply because self-image is more important than facts and relationships.
wrote on 7 Jan 2021, 20:07 last edited by@aqua-letifer said in What’s going to be the bigger shit show today?:
blaming liberals for the invasion and not the sitting president who egged the right-wing extremists on, attempting to discredit myriad state and federal leaders who criticized the president, and attacking people here simply because self-image is more important than facts and relationships.
Now wait a minute. I've been clear about Trump's culpability on this and have even promoted the idea that Trump could and should face charges over this. I also feel there are other causes and this does go beyond Trump. If you want to call it blaming liberals, then go ahead and do so, but yesterday WAS a tipping point that resulted from decades of escalating cultural warfare. This started during the Bush administration, well before people took Trump seriously.