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How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?

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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @doctor-phibes said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:

    As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.

    I recently listened to an interview with the respected Princeton historian, Stephen Kotkin. A couple of topics were discussed including the November election. At one point Kotkin drolly points Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.

    Likewise, with yesterday's election in Georgia, I listened to a CBC TV interview with David Frum. Now granted the interview was made before the polls in Georgia closed, but Frum pointed out that the two Republican incumbents probably would have won if left on their own, but the now defeated Trump intervened and turned what ought to have been an election on local issues, into a referendum on the legitimacy of the federal election. So the two GOP candidates campaigned not in issues facing Georgians, but as diehard Trump loyalists. The voters of Georgia didn't buy into that, and now we see at least one GOP senator, a Trump loyalist, dumped by the electorate.

    The Kotkin interview is here:

    Link to video

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    @renauda said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:

    @doctor-phibes said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:

    As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.

    I recently listened to an interview with the respected Princeton historian, Stephen Kotkin. A couple of topics were discussed including the November election. At one point Kotkin drolly points Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.

    Likewise, with yesterday's election in Georgia, I listened to a CBC TV interview with David Frum. Now granted the interview was made before the polls in Georgia closed, but Frum pointed out that the two Republican incumbents probably would have won if left on their own, but the now defeated Trump intervened and turned what ought to have been an election on local issues, into a referendum on the legitimacy of the federal election. So the two GOP candidates campaigned not in issues facing Georgians, but as diehard Trump loyalists. The voters of Georgia didn't buy into that, and now we see at least one GOP senator, a Trump loyalist, dumped by the electorate.

    The Kotkin interview is here:

    Link to video

    Frum?

    Bwhahahaha!

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      @renauda

      Have you read Kotkin’s book about the fall of the Soviet Union? Only 200pp but excellent.

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      @jon-nyc

      No jon I haven't but I have read the first volume of his Stalin Biography. I have a copy of volume two but have decided to hold off reading it until the third and final volume is released, hopefully sometime later this year. In that way I can read vols. II and III consecutively. BTW, Volume I was excellent. I rank alongside the late Robert Tucker's, Stalin as Revolutionary

      His historiography is meticulous, although his writing style sometimes is a tad colloquial for my tastes. But that's just me.

      Elbows up!

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        @renauda said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:

        @doctor-phibes said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:

        As anybody who bothers to look at history could tell you, it's a very short journey from political hero to political liability.

        I recently listened to an interview with the respected Princeton historian, Stephen Kotkin. A couple of topics were discussed including the November election. At one point Kotkin drolly points Biden had to win because in the end it was none other than Trump himself who acted as Biden's de facto campaign manager in the federal election. The more Trump prattled on and tweeted in his usual manner, the more votes he promoted and gained for Biden. Biden and his team just had to sit, watch and let Trump take on the limelight and defeat himself.

        Likewise, with yesterday's election in Georgia, I listened to a CBC TV interview with David Frum. Now granted the interview was made before the polls in Georgia closed, but Frum pointed out that the two Republican incumbents probably would have won if left on their own, but the now defeated Trump intervened and turned what ought to have been an election on local issues, into a referendum on the legitimacy of the federal election. So the two GOP candidates campaigned not in issues facing Georgians, but as diehard Trump loyalists. The voters of Georgia didn't buy into that, and now we see at least one GOP senator, a Trump loyalist, dumped by the electorate.

        The Kotkin interview is here:

        Link to video

        Frum?

        Bwhahahaha!

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        @jolly said in How much blame does Trump get for the runoff results?:

        Frum?
        Bwhahahaha!

        Say, have you tried a Fisherman's Friend for that craw in your throat?

        Elbows up!

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