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  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

    @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

    @LuFins-Dad

    DoE is in charge of the nuclear stockpile. One can imagine intelligence functions around that.

    Yep, I thought about that afterward, but still would have figured they would be working collaboratively with one of the Alphabet Agencies.

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    jon-nyc
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    #158

    @LuFins-Dad said in Lab Leak?:

    @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

    @LuFins-Dad

    DoE is in charge of the nuclear stockpile. One can imagine intelligence functions around that.

    Yep, I thought about that afterward, but still would have figured they would be working collaboratively with one of the Alphabet Agencies.

    That seems to not be the case as a rule. Just like every agency has its own enforcement division.

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Well, at least we can go back to eating bat sandwiches!

      The Brad

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        FBI AgreesL

        FBI Director Christopher Wray said Tuesday that the Covid pandemic was probably the result of a laboratory leak in China, providing the first public confirmation of the bureau’s classified judgment of how the virus that led to the deaths of nearly seven million people worldwide first emerged.

        “The FBI has for quite some time now assessed that the origins of the pandemic are most likely a potential lab incident in Wuhan,” Mr. Wray told Fox News. “Here you are talking about a potential leak from a Chinese government-controlled lab.”

        Mr. Wray added that the Chinese government has been trying to “thwart and obfuscate” the investigation that the Federal Bureau of Investigation, other parts of the U.S. government and foreign partners have been carrying out into the origin of the pandemic, but that the bureau’s work continues.

        The Wall Street Journal reported Sunday that the FBI had come to the conclusion with “moderate confidence” in 2021 that the Covid-19 pandemic was likely the result of an accidental lab leak and still holds to this view.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          #161

          Okay...Why have they sat on this for so long?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            George K
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            https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/new-emails-show-fauci-commissioned-paper-to-disprove-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

            New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

            They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

            Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

            “There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

            “So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

            Read the committee's report here.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/new-emails-show-fauci-commissioned-paper-to-disprove-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

              New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

              They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

              Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

              “There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

              “So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

              Read the committee's report here.

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              LuFins Dad
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              @George-K said in Lab Leak?:

              https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/new-emails-show-fauci-commissioned-paper-to-disprove-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

              New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

              They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

              Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

              “There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

              “So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

              Read the committee's report here.

              Man, that story will be huge in three years when the legacy media acknowledges it…

              The Brad

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                It's almost like the "scientific expert" narrative is intentionally used to manipulate the credulous masses, making it difficult to decipher when and where real scientific experts come to real conclusions about anything having to do with politics.

                But those who question anything after a claim is made about a scientific conclusion, are still laughable idiots, just ask the left. Because people who believe what they're told to believe, are always the smart ones.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • George KG George K

                  https://nypost.com/2023/03/05/new-emails-show-fauci-commissioned-paper-to-disprove-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/

                  New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

                  They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

                  Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

                  “There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human.

                  “So, the paper will be available. I don’t have the authors right now, but we can make it available to you.”

                  Read the committee's report here.

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                  jon-nycJ Online
                  jon-nyc
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                  #165

                  @George-K

                  I wish they’d show us more than one half of a sentence with no context.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    @George-K

                    I wish they’d show us more than one half of a sentence with no context.

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                    #166

                    @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                    @George-K

                    I wish they’d show us more than one half of a sentence with no context.

                    Such is the state of "journalism" today. Provide only what supports the reaction you seek.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                      @George-K

                      I wish they’d show us more than one half of a sentence with no context.

                      Such is the state of "journalism" today. Provide only what supports the reaction you seek.

                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nyc
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                      #167

                      @Mik said in Lab Leak?:

                      @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                      @George-K

                      I wish they’d show us more than one half of a sentence with no context.

                      Such is the state of "journalism" today. Provide only what supports the reaction you seek.

                      I’m talking about the House Committee report.

                      Of course the journalism is no better.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        Dr. Rand Paul has been on Fauci like white on rice for quite some time. Apparently, for good reason.

                        Because of the job Fauci held, and because of his time in Washington, Fauci became more and more a political swamp critter and less a doctor.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                          @Mik said in Lab Leak?:

                          @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                          @George-K

                          I wish they’d show us more than one half of a sentence with no context.

                          Such is the state of "journalism" today. Provide only what supports the reaction you seek.

                          I’m talking about the House Committee report.

                          Of course the journalism is no better.

                          JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                          @Mik said in Lab Leak?:

                          @jon-nyc said in Lab Leak?:

                          @George-K

                          I wish they’d show us more than one half of a sentence with no context.

                          Such is the state of "journalism" today. Provide only what supports the reaction you seek.

                          I’m talking about the House Committee report.

                          Of course the journalism is no better.

                          Thought the Shapiro video I posted this morning summed up the journalism stuff pretty well.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            George K
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                            What really went on inside the Wuhan lab


                            Scientists in Wuhan working alongside the Chinese military were combining the world’s most deadly coronaviruses to create a new mutant virus just as the pandemic began.
                            Investigators who scrutinised top-secret intercepted communications and scientific research believe Chinese scientists were running a covert project of dangerous experiments, which caused a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology and started the Covid-19 outbreak.

                            The US investigators say one of the reasons there is no published information on the work is because it was done in collaboration with researchers from the Chinese military, which was funding it and which, they say, was pursuing bioweapons.

                            ...

                            The institute was engaged in increasingly risky experiments on coronaviruses it gathered from bat caves in southern China. Initially, it made its findings public and argued the associated risks were justified because the work might help science develop vaccines.

                            This changed in 2016 after researchers discovered a new type of coronavirus in a mineshaft in Mojiang in Yunnan province where people had died from symptoms similar to Sars.

                            Rather than warning the world, the Chinese authorities did not report the fatalities. The viruses found there are now recognised as the only members of Covid-19’s immediate family known to have been in existence pre-pandemic.

                            They were transported to the Wuhan institute and the work of its scientists became classified. “The trail of papers starts to go dark,” a US investigator said. “That’s exactly when the classified programme kicked off. My view is that the reason Mojiang was covered up was due to military secrecy related to [the army’s] pursuit of dual use capabilities in virological biological weapons and vaccines.”

                            According to the US investigators, the classified programme was to make the mineshaft viruses more infectious to humans.

                            They believe this led to the creation of the Covid-19 virus, and that it leaked into the city of Wuhan after a laboratory accident. “It has become increasingly clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was involved in the creation, promulgation and cover-up of the Covid-19 pandemic,” one of the investigators said.

                            They found evidence that researchers working on these experiments were taken to hospital with Covid-like symptoms in November 2019 — a month before the West became aware of the pandemic — and one of their relatives died.

                            ...

                            The truly cutting-edge experiments were being done in the US by the veteran virologist Ralph Baric at the University of North Carolina. He used a technique to fuse together different pathogens by mixing their genes. To test the effect of these lab-created mutant viruses on people, he created “humanised” mice by injecting them with genes that allowed them to develop lungs and vascular systems similar to ours. His ultimate aim was to create a universal vaccine against Sars-type viruses — an objective still not achieved.

                            Baric was aware this type of “gain of function” work, so-called because it can enhance virus potency, was controversial and could have a sinister application.

                            “Ominously, tools exist for simultaneously modifying the genomes for increased virulence [and] transmissibility,” he had written in a 2006 paper. “These bioweapons could be targeted to humans, domesticated animals or crops, causing a devastating impact on human civilisation.”

                            ...

                            The Wuhan institute began stepping up its own lab work using Baric’s techniques. It created two new mutants by fusing viruses with the WIV1 pathogen it had found in the Shitou cave. These experiments were mentioned in Daszak’s progress report for the year to May 2016, which he submitted to the US government funders. The same report disclosed the institute planned to create an infectious version of the camel pathogen Mers by combining it with bat viruses. Mers had killed 35 per cent of people infected during a 2012 outbreak in Saudi Arabia.

                            This triggered alarm bells for the US government because it would have involved the type of gain-of-function experiments that were still barred. According to documents obtained by freedom of information campaigners, Daszak argued the Mers experiment was not gain of function because it was unlikely to make the virus more pathogenic. A compromise was reached whereby the scientists would stop work and report to US officials if they created a new mutant virus that grew ten times faster than the natural virus it was created from.
                            That same year, Daszak announced to a New York conference that Shi was moving “closer and closer” to obtaining a virus “that could really become pathogenic in people”.

                            By 2017, according to a paper published by Shi, her scientists had sought to create eight mutant viruses from the Sars-like coronaviruses found in the Shitou cave. Two of the mutant viruses were found to infect human cells. Most of this work was carried out in the institute’s biosafety level 2 (BSL-2) laboratories, which took only light precautions that have been compared to those used in a dental surgery.

                            By contrast, the US guidelines require level 3 (BSL-3) precautions for similar work, including self-closing doors, filtered air and scientists equipped with full PPE while under medical supervision.

                            The US embassy found out about the experiments in Wuhan and sent diplomats with scientific expertise to inspect the institute in January 2018, according to diplomatic cables leaked to The Washington Post. They observed “a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory”.


                            Read the whole thing here:

                            https://archive.is/cEzrI#selection-1339.0-1359.353

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Thanks for posting that, George. How clear can anything be in terms of explaining what happened, and how much more of this type of research is out there right now, hoping to somehow target the U.S. and its allies?

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                                The levels:

                                https://www.cdc.gov/training/quicklearns/biosafety/

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  I find the lack of official outrage to be troubling.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    I find the lack of official outrage to be troubling.

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                                    @Jolly said in Lab Leak?:

                                    I find the lack of official outrage to be troubling.

                                    Because we were knee nipple-deep into it?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      That's saying a mouth full...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        LuFins Dad
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                                        How reliable is the source?

                                        The Brad

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                                          Shhh! From the RWEC:


                                          I wrote about the Sunday Times’ blockbuster story about the real origins of the COVID virus and the manner in which it was released into the population, presumably by accident.

                                          The US government paid for research that engineered COVID, the Chinese military bioweapons researchers got secretly involved, and the engineered virus escaped from an unsafe lab.

                                          The story is huge. Tens of millions of people died from COVID-related diseases. The virus was, indeed, engineered. The research behind it was at first internationally funded (and remained so), and the Chinese military got involved in the project. The United States funded the research, despite being warned that it was horribly dangerous and that the lab was unsafe. The EcoHealth Alliance provably lied to get grant money.

                                          A massive coverup by US and Chinese government officials hid the facts, although if you pieced together the puzzle the general outline of the timeline and the scheme to cover it up were clear.

                                          Yet as of this writing, not one single US mainstream media news source has covered the story. There are reports in the UK and elsewhere, but in the United States, there has been a blackout in the major media.

                                          The Sunday Times is not a tabloid. It is the oldest newspaper in the UK and is widely respected. It is not known for ideological bias–it has endorsed both major parties and even endorsed Barack Obama in 2012. The New York Times and many newspapers around the world are named after it–literally, this is the first newspaper called The Times and is one of the gold standards in journalism.

                                          The story is the product of months of research and is deeply sourced, including US State Department investigators who actually went to Wuhan to investigate the case. The paper trail is there. The sources are there. Both public and secret documents back it up. Much of it was publicly established in the past.

                                          In other words, it is not a conspiracy theory from a sketchy source that is easily dismissed.

                                          What it is, though, is grossly inconvenient for the MSM, the US government, and the bureaucrats who funded the research and covered it up.

                                          So the US public must be prevented from seeing this. I did a Google search on Wuhan and not one US news source popped up. Not one. The UK and India, and I would expect it will filter out to the world. It has been a day and a half since the story was published.

                                          The easiest way to suppress the story is simply to ignore it. Sure, many people will see it–although the number is few, since the Sunday Times’ readership is not large in the US, even though it is one of the larger circulation foreign newspapers in the US. So those of us who do see it and talk about it will sound like freaks and conspiracy theorists.

                                          You know the drill: you tell a friend about a bombshell–like the Israeli government was forced to release a report showing that nobody who was healthy and under 49 died from COVID. Not one. People with comorbidities did, but not healthy people. Yet you tell somebody that and they will scoff–it contradicts their priors and, of course, if it were true then it would be widely reported, right?

                                          Right? Big news obviously would get reported.

                                          Except, obviously, it doesn’t. One of the biggest news stories in the world has faced a US blackout for more than a day.

                                          Do you believe that major newspaper reporters don’t know about the story? Of course, they do.

                                          Do you think they disbelieve it? Perhaps some do, but most surely don’t. And not one of them would think the allegation isn’t newsworthy. The uncorroborated Steele Dossier, proven false, was covered relentlessly for years. Every hate crime hoax is endlessly covered. Verifying facts is inconvenient, so they ignore them anyway.

                                          The blackout has one reason: it contradicts the Narrative™. That’s it.

                                          The regime media exists for one purpose in modern America: to support the regime. This is not speculation anymore; it is clearly true. Chances are decent that the Sunday Times story will become a blockbuster in the UK and be memory-holed in the US, which is where the trail starts and the only place where accountability can occur. The UK didn’t do this.

                                          Anthony Fauci did, along with others. He covered it up, with the help of the US intelligence apparatus. And the MSM is covering up for him.

                                          In a few years, when it no longer matters, books will be written by the same reporters currently ignoring the story. They will make a mint, and people will be shocked, but it will be old news. A historical event, not a public policy issue.

                                          Everybody involved will skate. The US government has restarted its partnership with the EcoHealth Alliance, and everybody who matters is happy.

                                          Undoubtedly a few Republicans will do an investigation, but the media will call their charges “debunked” and “conspiracy theories,” which is what they always do.

                                          Millions of people died, and the people in charge and the ones who can hold them accountable simply don’t care.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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