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Lab Leak?

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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    It always struck me that this was possible, but most scientists I've read about say this is naturally occurring and it almost certainly didn't happen this way.

    Sorry to be cynical, but I guess that wouldn't make as interesting an article.

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    @doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

    It always struck me that this was possible, but most scientists I've read about say this is naturally occurring and it almost certainly didn't happen this way.

    Sorry to be cynical, but I guess that wouldn't make as interesting an article.

    The scientists in this field are hardly disinterested disinterested observers. If it comes out as a lab leak, this affects all of them when it comes to grants and funding. As noted in the original article, the manipulation of these viruses is pretty widespread in their community.

    The Brad

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      I'd say probable, not possible.

      And I've been saying it from the get-go.

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      @jolly said in Lab Leak?:

      I'd say probable, not possible.

      And I've been saying it from the get-go.

      I’m somewhere in between probable and possible.

      China so far has done a masterful job of not being held accountable to even be more transparent.

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        Too far from the epicenter of the pandemic for the Wuhan Virus to where the supposed host resides. Secondly, the Chinese have been living with and eating these bats for centuries.

        No I understand a bit about mutations and fully realize that a disease that formally only resided in bats could transmit over to humans (i.e. Monkeys/Ebola in Africa), but I also know that there are two biolabs in Wuhan, one of which is probably working of Gain Of Function virus weaponization.

        So, I've always been pretty convinced about the Duck Argument. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc. I don't think of zebras when hearing hoofbeats (hey, a twofer!). So, I think the probability pretty high that it came from the Wuhan lab.

        The question I really would like to know, was it a naturally occurring virus the Chinese found and it leaked out while studying it, or is it a weaponized variant that got loose?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          If it's a weapon, it's a pretty shit one. How many weapons are designed to primarily kill old overweight people?

          I was only joking

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          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            If it's a weapon, it's a pretty shit one. How many weapons are designed to primarily kill old overweight people?

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            Horace
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            @doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

            If it's a weapon, it's a pretty shit one. How many weapons are designed to primarily kill old overweight people?

            We are not a good enemy to have. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if lefties and communists the world over have murderous plans specifically targeted at us.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              If it's a weapon, it's a pretty shit one. How many weapons are designed to primarily kill old overweight people?

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              @doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

              If it's a weapon, it's a pretty shit one. How many weapons are designed to primarily kill old overweight people?

              Maybe, maybe not.

              Maybe the Chinese found the transmission ability they wanted, but not quite the symptoms they needed.

              OTOH, if you could saturate an urban center with the virus, you render their healthcare system ineffective in days.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Rainman
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                Huh??
                Look at the results, if Covid was deliberately released. It's not difficult to go through the various impacts of a "what if" game.

                I don't believe it was deliberately released. No human could be that horrible, to either demand it to be done, or released by one sick MF.

                But I would really like to know, what happened, where it is now OK to talk about a possible leak, when up to now it has been forbidden, or you're racist.

                What changed, I wonder?

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                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                  If it's a weapon, it's a pretty shit one. How many weapons are designed to primarily kill old overweight people?

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                  @doctor-phibes said in Lab Leak?:

                  If it's a weapon, it's a pretty shit one. How many weapons are designed to primarily kill old overweight people?

                  It cost our economy 15-20 trillion dollars and while we were distracted they got Hong Kong, built several islands consolidating their hold on the South China Sea, expanded their belt and road and then told us as the pandemic ended they were equal to us.

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                    Copper
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                    It wasn't created to kill people

                    It was created to disrupt supply chains

                    And to send the USA debt a little closer to infinity

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                      Renauda
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                      #15

                      Based on what I am reading here and the sentiment it is arousing.....

                      So what's stopping the US from building an international coalition of the willing and taking out the Chinese communists one and for all? Apparently they have no credible military allies and are essentially isolated politically. Yes, it will cost the US a few more trillion dollars or so, but it'll boost the economy by getting people back to work in well paid manufacturing jobs.

                      A good start would be to bring these articles and similar and select information to the UNSC and present the findings. Hell, it could prove to be the yellow cake or smoking gun giving cause for this next world tour of US military adventurism.

                      Elbows up!

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                        In fairness, killing all the old people is an economic boon to a country.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          In fairness, killing all the old people is an economic boon to a country.

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                          Rainman
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                          @horace said in Lab Leak?:

                          In fairness, killing all the old people is an economic boon to a country.

                          Yes, and enjoyable too!, if done slowly.

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            In fairness, killing all the old people is an economic boon to a country.

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                            @horace

                            So now you're saying the US and its western allies should be sending a big Thank You card to Xi?

                            Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                @horace

                                So now you're saying the US and its western allies should be sending a big Thank You card to Xi?

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                                @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                                @horace

                                So now you're saying the US and its western allies should be sending a big Thank You card to Xi?

                                No, I believe mass murder via bioweapons is wrong, full stop.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Renauda
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                                  You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

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                                    @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                                    You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

                                    That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                                      You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

                                      That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

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                                      @horace said in Lab Leak?:

                                      @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                                      You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

                                      That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

                                      Yes, I was aware that it was a parody. Sadly I found it neither clever or amusing. I wonder why? But then, since my return to this forum about a year ago, I don't find your posts very clever or amusing at the best of times. It's really too bad, there was a time that you came across as talented and intelligent. Now you just come across as common and I do not believe much that you write. I'll just leave it at that.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @horace said in Lab Leak?:

                                        @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                                        You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

                                        That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

                                        Yes, I was aware that it was a parody. Sadly I found it neither clever or amusing. I wonder why? But then, since my return to this forum about a year ago, I don't find your posts very clever or amusing at the best of times. It's really too bad, there was a time that you came across as talented and intelligent. Now you just come across as common and I do not believe much that you write. I'll just leave it at that.

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                                        Horace
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                                        @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                                        @horace said in Lab Leak?:

                                        @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                                        You'll have to do better than that. I don't believe you. Never have.

                                        That post was parody, but I'm not going to tell you of what.

                                        Yes, I was aware that it was a parody. Sadly I found it neither clever or amusing. I wonder why? But then, since my return to this forum about a year ago, I don't find your posts very clever or amusing at the best of times. It's really too bad, there was a time that you came across as talented and intelligent. Now you just come across as common and I do not believe much that you write. I'll just leave it at that.

                                        Thanks for leaving it at that, before it became insulting. That was big of you.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          Copper
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                                          @renauda said in Lab Leak?:

                                          I don't find your posts very clever or amusing

                                          To whom are you comparing him?

                                          Yourself!

                                          Hahahaha

                                          Nobody could ever be that clever and amusing!

                                          Give him a break.

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