How long?

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in How long?:

video from the protesters

More information in the video that allows for more accurate assessment of actually happened, more than a tweet for sure. Analogous to the videos from police officers body cameras compared to, say, a tweet from the district attorney.

You know, if I was a younger man, I'd whip your ass just on general principles. In most bars, there exists one guy, you just know that a good ass-whuppin' could change his outlook for the better. Call it a pragmatic enrichment program.

Sadly, I'm past that point. Youth is certainly wasted on the young...

I am happy that you have grown further from your violent tendencies; that’s a good personal development. Congratulations!

[Copper]

@axtremus said in How long?:

“Trying to pound open our door”? Complete fabrication on Hawley’s part. Polite knocking, yes. “Trying to pound open”, no.

I just flipped through the video

I hope you're not being serious

My wife would be terrified in this situation, home alone with the children

My wife would be in tears hiding in a closet somewhere

You are nuts

[Aqua Letifer]

@axtremus said in How long?:

I am happy that you have grown further from your violent tendencies; that’s a good personal development. Congratulations!

That's Jolly's achievement. What have you done to try to be less annoying to talk to?

[Mik]

Ax, that is the most ridiculous post you have made in over 15 years. You consider demonstrating outside someone's private residence to be OK and non-threatening?

I don't. I'd support mowing them down with a Ma Deuce. And I don't care what side the protestors are on. There are just some things that should never, ever be tolerated. Not for a second.

[George K]

@mik said in How long?:

You consider demonstrating outside someone's private residence to be OK and non-threatening?

With a bullhorn, for about 15 people.

Also, the video was shot by one of the "demonstrators." As Jolly said, I wonder what was not included.

[Jolly]

There are advantages to living in the South. Down here, a female with a newborn could have shot them down in the yard and she might have been charged with violating city noise ordinances...

[Mik]

I blame the police for tolerating this.

[Jolly]

I agree.

A person should be secure in their own home.

[Horace]

We can all count on the left to admonish these terrorists that are on their side. They are so courageous and they always stand up for what is right, no matter how many friends they lose.

[Axtremus]

@mik said in How long?:

Ax, that is the most ridiculous post you have made in over 15 years. You consider demonstrating outside someone's private residence to be OK and non-threatening?

I don't. I'd support mowing them down with a Ma Deuce. And I don't care what side the protestors are on. There are just some things that should never, ever be tolerated. Not for a second.

Protesting outside some public figures‘ houses is a Constituionally protected, time-honored American tradition. There have been no lack of such protests in the past, and you have never condemned them (examples of protests at the houses of Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, Jeff Bezo, Rahm Emanuel, Gavin Newsome below), maybe becuase you have never heard of these protests. Why? Probably because these public figures recognize this First Amendment exercise and did not tweet about it like a crybaby as Hawley did.

Protest outside Nancy Pelosi‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside Chuck Schumer‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside Clinton‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside Jezz Bezo‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside (Chicago mayor) Rahm Emanuel‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside (California governor) Gavin Newsome‘s house:

Link to video

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in How long?:

@mik said in How long?:

Ax, that is the most ridiculous post you have made in over 15 years. You consider demonstrating outside someone's private residence to be OK and non-threatening?

I don't. I'd support mowing them down with a Ma Deuce. And I don't care what side the protestors are on. There are just some things that should never, ever be tolerated. Not for a second.

Protesting outside some public figures‘ houses is a Constituionally protected, time-honored American tradition. There have been no lack of such protests in the past, and you have never condemned them (examples of protests at the houses of Pelosi, Schumer, Clinton, Jeff Bezo, Rahm Emanuel, Gavin Newsome below), maybe becuase you have never heard of these protests. Why? Probably because these public figures recognize this First Amendment exercise and did not tweet about it like a crybaby as Hawley did.

Protest outside Nancy Pelosi‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside Chuck Schumer‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside Clinton‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside Jezz Bezo‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside (Chicago mayor) Rahm Emanuel‘s house:

Link to video

Protest outside (California governor) Gavin Newsome‘s house:

Link to video

Both Mik and I have condemned this practice on multiple occasions. doesn't fit your narrative, does it?

BTW, the last protest at Pelosi's home, complete with severed pig head, was done by Leftists.

That's not expressing constitutional rights. That's a threat of violence.

[George K]

Your right to peacefully protest ends where my property line begins. None of the videos show demonstrators crossing onto private property, and several of them show a rather large police presence.

At Hawley's, the demonstrators were on his property (front porch) and there were, I believe 3 cops keeping that from happening again. When the demonstrators are at your front door, either knocking or pouring (you can believe whom you wish about this), that's threatening.

And don't get me started on restaurant "demonstrations."

[Axtremus]

@jolly said in How long?:

BTW, the last protest at Pelosi's home, complete with severed pig head, was done by Leftists.

I was just looking at that thread the George-K started: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/6451/careful-graffit ... I haven‘t see you or Mik make a peap there yet.

[Mik]

That's because the implication was that it was in some way staged or fake. I had nothing to add in that respect.

But that was a weak, pathetic attempt to deflect.

[Jolly]

@axtremus said in How long?:

@jolly said in How long?:

BTW, the last protest at Pelosi's home, complete with severed pig head, was done by Leftists.

I was just looking at that thread the George-K started: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/6451/careful-graffit ... I haven‘t see you or Mik make a peap there yet.

I'm sorry, but if you haven't figured out personal positions after years of posts on a particular subject, you are either a fool or blindly partisan.

I don't think you are a fool.

[jon-nyc]

Hawley was caught in a lie, sure, but we shouldn’t declare open season on him for that.

[Axtremus]

@george-k said in How long?:

Your right to peacefully protest ends where my property line begins. None of the videos show demonstrators crossing onto private property, and several of them show a rather large police presence.

At Hawley's, the demonstrators were on his property (front porch) and there were, I believe 3 cops keeping that from happening again. When the demonstrators are at your front door, either knocking or pouring (you can believe whom you wish about this), that's threatening.

Good, at least you acknolwedge that some forms of protests at private residences are acceptable, unlike Mik who seem to have taken the position that no protest outside private residence is acceptable and want to mow the protesters down with a “Ma Deuce”, whatever that means.

As for whom to believe on knocking vs. pounding, I believe the video more than I believe the tweet. Afterall, Jolly kept telling us that all politicians lie all the time, but Jolly hasn‘t say that all protesters lie all the time.

[Axtremus]

@jon-nyc said in How long?:

Hawley was caught in a lie, sure, but we shouldn’t declare open season on him for that.

Now that‘s a reasonable position.

Peaceful protest outside, OK.

But don’t block the entrace, don‘t spray paint his house, don’t leave a pighead or blood or aynthing like that. Respect the town’s existing ordinaces too, as applicable (e.g., if the town ordiannce says quiet hours starts at 9PM, pipedown by 9PM).

[George K]

"Peaceful" but illegal.

Officers were called to Hawley's home in Vienna, a Washington suburb, home around 7:45 p.m. after someone reported that there were “people protesting in front of the house.” Officers who responded to the scene found that the “people were peaceful,” said Master Police Officer Juan Vazquez, a spokesman for the Town of Vienna Police Department.

The demonstrators said they went to Hawley's home because he said he would object when Congress convenes Wednesday to affirm Joe Biden’s election victory.

Vazquez said the protesters had been violating several laws, including a Virginia code about picketing in front of a house, a town ordinance about making noise in front of a home and a littering code. But he said the officers explained the violations and “everyone just left.”

“There were no issues, no arrests,” he said. “We didn’t think it was that big of a deal.”

Hawley accused the group of vandalism and threats against his family.

“Tonight while I was in Missouri, Antifa scumbags came to our place in DC and threatened my wife and newborn daughter, who can’t travel,” Hawley wrote on Twitter. “They screamed threats, vandalized, and tried to pound open our door. Let me be clear: My family & I will not be intimidated.”

But the group, ShutdownDC, posted a nearly hour-long video that showed about a dozen protesters arriving at Hawley’s home, chanting and shouting through a megaphone, walking up to his doorstep, waving signs and writing on the sidewalk with chalk.

[jon-nyc]

I was a little flip in my previous response, of course. But notwithstanding Hawley's exaggerations, I'm appalled at the idea of protesting at the homes of public officials. It's just a matter of time until one of these protests turns into something violent.