Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election
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@taiwan_girl said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
. If a truck driver drove 288.000 completed ballots from New York to PA... Well, if that doesn't make you raise an eyebrow, what would?
I actually read the affidavit. The truck driver when asked about how many ballots there were says something like, “it could have been 750 or even 2500, I’m not sure”
But then again, he is a drug addict with mental problems, and even according to his mom, he needs some help.
Let's not nitpick one little example for a moment and entertain this question :
If half the country believes the election was stolen, do you take the time to investigate it and correct the errors that are found so that half of the country can feel trust in the election process again, or do you roll over the top of them, call them names and tell them to just accept it and move on?
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@mik said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
He has been absolutely consistent through the 15+ years I have known him. He's not in any way shape or form a nutcase.
It is not good to think that anyone who comes to different conclusions than you do is crazy. They may be right or they may prove wrong but that remains to be seen.What kind of argument is that? Being consistent doesn't mean that somebody is not a nutcase. Stalin was consistent.
Also, nobody has suggested that anyone who "comes to different conclusions" is crazy. But it is perfectly valid to designate some of those who come to different conclusions as crazy, such as those who are so deranged by confirmation bias that they promote ludicrous conspiracy theories.
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I don't think Biden won the election fairly. Too many anomalies. Too many votes totals that changed markedly at 0300. Too much media cover-up. Too much manipulation of Biden coverage to always paint him in the best light possible. Too much negative Trump coverage, even if coverage had to be twisted or outright lies.
And I figure there's fifty million voters just like me.
I guess that's a lot of people Sock won't have to drink beer with...
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@klaus said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@mik said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
He has been absolutely consistent through the 15+ years I have known him. He's not in any way shape or form a nutcase.
It is not good to think that anyone who comes to different conclusions than you do is crazy. They may be right or they may prove wrong but that remains to be seen.What kind of argument is that? Being consistent doesn't mean that somebody is not a nutcase. Stalin was consistent.
Also, nobody has suggested that anyone who "comes to different conclusions" is crazy. But it is perfectly valid to designate some of those who come to different conclusions as crazy, such as those who are so deranged by confirmation bias that they promote ludicrous conspiracy theories.
You mean like the conspiracy theory about Biden winning the election?
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@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@mik said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Larry is who he is, unapologetically. He has been absolutely consistent through the 15+ years I have known him. He's not in any way shape or form a nutcase.
It is not good to think that anyone who comes to different conclusions than you do is crazy. They may be right or they may prove wrong but that remains to be seen.
Haha, is that how you see this? Disagree with Larry, and he says:
- you're "uninformed",
- you remind him of the old saying "Some people have 20 years worth of experience. Some have 1 year of experience 20 times.",
- you haven't learned how to think rationally,
- you haven't taken the time to study the situation,
- you're shoving your head up your ass,
- you're disingenuous and closed minded,
- you're intellectually dishonest,
- you have no integrity,
- you're simply repeating the media spin,
- he doesn't give a fuck what you think...
This comes from this thread only, took less than 2 minutes to extract it. Want more? Just open a few other threads here.
Most of this was directed at Xenon, who is one of the posters here who shows a lot of patience and restraint when it comes to trying to have a rational discussion with Larry.
That's fine though, most of us have come to know Larry over the years and no longer care about the shit he throws at your head when you dare to disagree with him.
But no, it's not because he comes to a different conclusion that some say he is going a little crazy over this election fraud stuff. If that were all it took, I for one would have called him crazy a long time ago...
As has been pointed out, no president in our lifetimes has ever faced the tsunami of lies, machinations and misrepresentations as Trump has over the last four years. It is hardly crazy to believe the democrats who have been behind these efforts would cheat if they could.
That in itself is not crazy. I'd go further than that and say that it's not crazy to think it could potentially happen at a scale that could really have an impact on an election (same goes for the Republicans). Politics is a dirty game, always has been. Regardless, that it would have happened at a scale leading to a stolen election is still an extraordinary claim, and as someone once rightly said: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
There is some stuff out there that - if true - could at least be a part of such extraordinary evidence. If a truck driver drove 288.000 completed ballots from New York to PA... Well, if that doesn't make you raise an eyebrow, what would? If according to a statistician's findings the chance that Biden won GA, MI, PA and WI the way he did is only "one in a quadrillion", that's worth looking into, right?
So some of us looked into it (the raw materials, not the media's interpretation) and found that the statistics and/or evidence behind those claims don't hold up under even a limited amount of scrutiny. None of that means Larry is somehow crazy for initially posting them. To me it just shows he never really looked at what's behind these claims but instead just eagerly took and reposted them as facts because they support the election fraud narrative and especially because of their potentially high impact. I have no problem with that either. I also don't have a problem with the fact that Larry then went completely silent on the truck driver case and the quadrillion statistic. That shows to me he eventually did take a closer look at those cases and came to the same conclusion. But when you're posting such stuff without properly scrutinizing it, it makes you look a bit silly when accusing the others in the discussion of not taking the time to study the situation, being closed-minded, etc. And when, despite the evidence for massive fraud falling short repeatedly, you keep shouting "BIDEN DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION" whenever someone suggests that he did, that's making you look a bit crazy after a while.
I just love it when a guy shows me what he's made of. Never mind his "logic" and his conclusions. He's convinced he has superior thinking skills, and like every other guy like him, you'll never change that he will have to grow up more and figure that out for himself. I'm talking about the reaction. I know his type. Nothing thrills me more than to watch his type have a melt down like that. And eventually, guys of his type ALWAYS have a melt down.
From a safe distance, of course.....
Go for it, son - gnaw on your panties some more.
You call that a “melt down”?
Dude, you’re funny, I’ll give you that! Lol! -
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@taiwan_girl said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
. If a truck driver drove 288.000 completed ballots from New York to PA... Well, if that doesn't make you raise an eyebrow, what would?
I actually read the affidavit. The truck driver when asked about how many ballots there were says something like, “it could have been 750 or even 2500, I’m not sure”
But then again, he is a drug addict with mental problems, and even according to his mom, he needs some help.
... do you take the time to investigate it ... or do you roll over the top of them, call them names ...?
My irony meter just exploded.
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@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@taiwan_girl said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
. If a truck driver drove 288.000 completed ballots from New York to PA... Well, if that doesn't make you raise an eyebrow, what would?
I actually read the affidavit. The truck driver when asked about how many ballots there were says something like, “it could have been 750 or even 2500, I’m not sure”
But then again, he is a drug addict with mental problems, and even according to his mom, he needs some help.
... do you take the time to investigate it ... or do you roll over the top of them, call them names ...?
My irony meter just exploded.
Hope it didn't hurt...
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@jolly said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
I don't think Biden won the election fairly. Too many anomalies. Too many votes totals that changed markedly at 0300. Too much media cover-up. Too much manipulation of Biden coverage to always paint him in the best light possible. Too much negative Trump coverage, even if coverage had to be twisted or outright lies.
And I figure there's fifty million voters just like me.
I guess that's a lot of people Sock won't have to drink beer with...
And there's another thing that is consistent here, the good old lap dog always comes to his corner, no matter what the topic or reason. That's ok Jolly, missing out on beers with assholes is not missing a thing.
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Sounds like they understand they are dealing with a petulant toddler.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@nobodyssock said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jolly said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
I don't think Biden won the election fairly. Too many anomalies. Too many votes totals that changed markedly at 0300. Too much media cover-up. Too much manipulation of Biden coverage to always paint him in the best light possible. Too much negative Trump coverage, even if coverage had to be twisted or outright lies.
And I figure there's fifty million voters just like me.
I guess that's a lot of people Sock won't have to drink beer with...
And there's another thing that is consistent here, the good old lap dog always comes to his corner, no matter what the topic or reason. That's ok Jolly, missing out on beers with assholes is not missing a thing.
Dude, you're a mental basket case. Used to work next door to a large mental hospital and you remind me so much of some of the patients that strolled around the grounds.
Therapy works well for some people. Carry on...
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@renauda said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Sounds like they understand they are dealing with a petulant toddler.
An interesting toddler, who ain't going away. Biden cannot physically hold up and will falter. I don't see how the economy can keep from going in the dumper.
And 2024 is just a few years away...
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@mik said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
Larry is who he is, unapologetically. He has been absolutely consistent through the 15+ years I have known him. He's not in any way shape or form a nutcase.
It is not good to think that anyone who comes to different conclusions than you do is crazy. They may be right or they may prove wrong but that remains to be seen.
Haha, is that how you see this? Disagree with Larry, and he says:
- you're "uninformed",
- you remind him of the old saying "Some people have 20 years worth of experience. Some have 1 year of experience 20 times.",
- you haven't learned how to think rationally,
- you haven't taken the time to study the situation,
- you're shoving your head up your ass,
- you're disingenuous and closed minded,
- you're intellectually dishonest,
- you have no integrity,
- you're simply repeating the media spin,
- he doesn't give a fuck what you think...
This comes from this thread only, took less than 2 minutes to extract it. Want more? Just open a few other threads here.
Most of this was directed at Xenon, who is one of the posters here who shows a lot of patience and restraint when it comes to trying to have a rational discussion with Larry.
That's fine though, most of us have come to know Larry over the years and no longer care about the shit he throws at your head when you dare to disagree with him.
But no, it's not because he comes to a different conclusion that some say he is going a little crazy over this election fraud stuff. If that were all it took, I for one would have called him crazy a long time ago...
As has been pointed out, no president in our lifetimes has ever faced the tsunami of lies, machinations and misrepresentations as Trump has over the last four years. It is hardly crazy to believe the democrats who have been behind these efforts would cheat if they could.
That in itself is not crazy. I'd go further than that and say that it's not crazy to think it could potentially happen at a scale that could really have an impact on an election (same goes for the Republicans). Politics is a dirty game, always has been. Regardless, that it would have happened at a scale leading to a stolen election is still an extraordinary claim, and as someone once rightly said: extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
There is some stuff out there that - if true - could at least be a part of such extraordinary evidence. If a truck driver drove 288.000 completed ballots from New York to PA... Well, if that doesn't make you raise an eyebrow, what would? If according to a statistician's findings the chance that Biden won GA, MI, PA and WI the way he did is only "one in a quadrillion", that's worth looking into, right?
So some of us looked into it (the raw materials, not the media's interpretation) and found that the statistics and/or evidence behind those claims don't hold up under even a limited amount of scrutiny. None of that means Larry is somehow crazy for initially posting them. To me it just shows he never really looked at what's behind these claims but instead just eagerly took and reposted them as facts because they support the election fraud narrative and especially because of their potentially high impact. I have no problem with that either. I also don't have a problem with the fact that Larry then went completely silent on the truck driver case and the quadrillion statistic. That shows to me he eventually did take a closer look at those cases and came to the same conclusion. But when you're posting such stuff without properly scrutinizing it, it makes you look a bit silly when accusing the others in the discussion of not taking the time to study the situation, being closed-minded, etc. And when, despite the evidence for massive fraud falling short repeatedly, you keep shouting "BIDEN DID NOT WIN THE ELECTION" whenever someone suggests that he did, that's making you look a bit crazy after a while.
I commend the number of words in this post. Commend, that is. Not read.
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@jolly said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
An interesting toddler, who ain't going away.
No, he'll go away but the rural and working class populism he has exploited will stay on. In fact, I am certain it will return albeit with a far more competent leadership.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@renauda said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jolly said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
An interesting toddler, who ain't going away.
No, he'll go away but the rural and working class populism he has exploited will stay on. In fact, I am certain it will return albeit with a far more competent leadership.
I think you underestimate him.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
Warning: I post things that interest me. Read and comment at your own discretion. -
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@renauda said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jolly And I think you overestimate him.
Yes, so did Hilary.
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@jolly said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@renauda said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jolly And I think you overestimate him.
Yes, so did Hilary.
Guess Biden didn't
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@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@larry said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@taiwan_girl said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@nunatax said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
. If a truck driver drove 288.000 completed ballots from New York to PA... Well, if that doesn't make you raise an eyebrow, what would?
I actually read the affidavit. The truck driver when asked about how many ballots there were says something like, “it could have been 750 or even 2500, I’m not sure”
But then again, he is a drug addict with mental problems, and even according to his mom, he needs some help.
... do you take the time to investigate it ... or do you roll over the top of them, call them names ...?
My irony meter just exploded.
If you assume Larry is talking to himself suddenly a lot of what he writes makes a lot more sense.
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@moonbat said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jolly said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@renauda said in Pence refused to sign on to Jan 6 plan to steal election:
@jolly And I think you overestimate him.
Yes, so did Hilary.
Guess Biden didn't
So many people on the left talk about the fly-over rubes who form the base of Trump while never, ever, commenting on the violent mobs of lower class poor hopeless people who give them the voting edge in election after election. Their crop. Own that destruction of humanity, you useless sociopaths and/or ignoramuses. At least the fly-over rubes are born to a world of opportunity. That's more than can be said of your crop. Own it.
