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    George K
    wrote on 29 Dec 2020, 17:32 last edited by
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    I suppose when your country is the size of New Jersey, and your population is that of New York City, it's easier to accomplish.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      bachophile
      wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 03:59 last edited by
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      Also the country is very set up for emergency organization.

      That coupled with a national health care system...ahem....makes it a bit easier to get things organized.

      The goal is the be the first country to immunize the whole population.

      Always like a challenge.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 04:43 last edited by
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        @george-k said in In Israel:

        I suppose when your country is the size of New Jersey, and your population is that of New York City, it's easier to accomplish.

        Neither New York City, nor New Jersey, have managed to accomplish it.

        I was only joking

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          Friday
          wrote on 30 Dec 2020, 05:22 last edited by
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          Admirable goal Bach.

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            George K
            wrote on 17 Jan 2021, 18:40 last edited by
            #5

            https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/01/why-is-israel-doing-better-than-everyone-else-in-covid-vaccinations/

            Why Is Israel Doing Better Than Everyone Else in COVID Vaccinations?

            Israel’s small size simplifies logistics. But there are other important factors.

            Eleven years ago, Dan Senor and Saul Singer dubbed Israel the “Start Up Nation” for its disproportionately large number of technology start-ups and NASDAQ stock listings. Make way for the Vaccination Nation.

            Israel leads the world in COVID-19 vaccinations. It has already vaccinated nearly a quarter of its population, including 75 percent of the population most at risk, people over age 60. It has administered 24.5 doses per 100 persons, nearly double the next-best country (the United Arab Emirates) and about 8 times as many people per capita as in the U.S. and the U.K. Israel’s per capita vaccination rate is 24 times that of the normally efficient Germans and 50 times better than the world average. Only three other countries in the world — the U.S., China, and the U.K. — have administered more vaccines.

            First, unlike American states, which have administered only about a third of the doses they have received, Israeli made sure it was ready to use its supply. Officials set up large vaccination centers and mobile units in advance. They reached out to minority groups, such as the ultra-Orthodox and Arab citizens, ahead of the roll-out to encourage vaccine uptake. Israel started vaccinations in mid-December and by the end of the month was vaccinating more than 150,000 people a day.

            Second, Israel secured a large supply from Pfizer by promising to provide comprehensive safety and effectiveness data. Israel has a nationwide, computerized health database that can provide anonymized outcomes for all citizens, letting Pfizer use the country of nearly nine million as a real-time laboratory. In return, Pfizer has pledged to provide enough doses to vaccinate every Israeli over 16 by the end of March. In addition, Israel was the first country outside of North America to approve the Moderna vaccine and has purchased six million doses. Israel also paid premium prices — a wise investment in ending the economic devastation occasioned by pandemic lockdowns.

            Needless to say, Israel is good at planning for and executing during emergencies. Senor and Singer identified universal army service as promoting Israelis’ resourcefulness and willingness to take the initiative to improve existing systems. Pfizer packages its vaccine in trays of 1,000 doses, which, because of the need for ultra-cold storage, must be all be used within a short period of time once they have been defrosted. The large number of doses limits vaccinations to centers that can line up large numbers of recipients. Israel figured out how to repackage the trays into smaller lots of doses to improve flexibility for delivering doses to a broader range of providers and less populated locations.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              bachophile
              wrote on 17 Jan 2021, 19:58 last edited by
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              What I find weird is not how well we do it.

              It’s how mediocre everyone else is doing it.

              This is life or death. No second chances. The world has got to get their shit together.

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                xenon
                wrote on 17 Jan 2021, 20:18 last edited by xenon
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                Maybe I haven’t looked hard enough - but I don’t really understand where the U.S. is falling short (is it?)

                -Did we procure our fair share (or more) of current and future production?

                -Is all the vaccine centrally procured by the federal government? If so, how is it allocated to the states?

                -Do the state governments need to do work before getting their share?

                -Etc.

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                  17 Jan 2021, 19:58

                  What I find weird is not how well we do it.

                  It’s how mediocre everyone else is doing it.

                  This is life or death. No second chances. The world has got to get their shit together.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 17 Jan 2021, 20:42 last edited by Renauda
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                  @bachophile said in In Israel:

                  What I find weird is not how well we do it.
                  It’s how mediocre everyone else is doing it.

                  I can tell you that here it is not the Federal G'ovt screwing up. The Feds are delivering the vaccine to the provinces as per its responsibility and as promised. It is the individual provincial governments that are failing to get the vaccine into peoples' arms as per their responsibilities to deliver the health care service. Each province appears to be dropping the ball in their own way.

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                  • R Renauda
                    17 Jan 2021, 20:42

                    @bachophile said in In Israel:

                    What I find weird is not how well we do it.
                    It’s how mediocre everyone else is doing it.

                    I can tell you that here it is not the Federal G'ovt screwing up. The Feds are delivering the vaccine to the provinces as per its responsibility and as promised. It is the individual provincial governments that are failing to get the vaccine into peoples' arms as per their responsibilities to deliver the health care service. Each province appears to be dropping the ball in their own way.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 17 Jan 2021, 20:43 last edited by
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                      Kincaid
                      wrote on 19 Jan 2021, 00:43 last edited by
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                      It felt to me like none of the States thought that Op Warp Speed was going to produce the vaccine that fast. So they had not put much effort into how to get it to people.

                      All summer they should have been getting ready to have everyone that can wield a syringe ready, including military doctors (and dentists), civilian dentists, and veterinarians.

                      I hear the State's whining that they need more money, but at least locally I still see them using the same old budget priorities rather than shifting money around.

                      I think it is ridiculous that the left thinks we should have deputized some huge new Federal bureaucracy to implement this.

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