RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt
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I know we're only hearing about the bad cases, but there are a lot of those, it seems. There are also plenty of people not dying but getting really sick, and if hospitals are overwhelmed, then it seems likely that a lot more of these people will die, which is what we're trying to avoid, after all. I was tempted not to even point this out, as it seems so blindingly obvious, but apparently some people still don't actually believe it, or think it's important.
@Doctor-Phibes said in RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt:
I know we're only hearing about the bad cases, but there are a lot of those, it seems. There are also plenty of people not dying but getting really sick, and if hospitals are overwhelmed, then it seems likely that a lot more of these people will die, which is what we're trying to avoid, after all. I was tempted not to even point this out, as it seems so blindingly obvious, but apparently some people still don't actually believe it, or think it's important.
Quoted for emphasis.
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More Levitt, posted yesterday:
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@Levitt said >
In this interview with Freddie Sayers, Executive Editor of UnHerd, Professor Levitt explains why he thinks indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake,” and advocates a “smart lockdown” policy, focused on more effective measures, focused on protecting elderly people.
huge mistake
I wonder if he has visited tncr
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Yeah Mr Levitt is saying a bunch of reasonable stuff that people are castigated as stupid and evil for saying. To wit:
- The damage from the lockdown will be greater than the damage from the virus
- There is a meaningful difference between a young person dying and an old person dying
- If we could protect the old people, the death rate numbers would not be alarming.
- Face masks are a viable mitigation, without a lockdown, and no you don't need an n95 mask
- If you want to find the people who are making this into a political football, look first to those getting righteous about the incalculable value of life. That idea is not so prevalent in the virus rhetoric in a culture like Sweden where there are fewer political concerns.
- Nobody risks anything personally by blowing risk out of proportion. Nobody will care if they're wrong. The attitude which assumes some personal risk is to encourage people to think clearly about the cost of the lockdown
- The people incurring the costs of this lockdown are the young folk, and that cost extends far beyond the immediate concerns of this virus. The people the lockdown is in service of, is the old folk.
Education is extremely important.
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@Levitt said >
In this interview with Freddie Sayers, Executive Editor of UnHerd, Professor Levitt explains why he thinks indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake,” and advocates a “smart lockdown” policy, focused on more effective measures, focused on protecting elderly people.
huge mistake
I wonder if he has visited tncr
@Copper said in RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt:
@Levitt said >
In this interview with Freddie Sayers, Executive Editor of UnHerd, Professor Levitt explains why he thinks indiscriminate lockdown measures as “a huge mistake,” and advocates a “smart lockdown” policy, focused on more effective measures, focused on protecting elderly people.
huge mistake
I wonder if he has visited tncr
TNCR has appeared to veer left in response to the virus.
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Yeah Mr Levitt is saying a bunch of reasonable stuff that people are castigated as stupid and evil for saying. To wit:
- The damage from the lockdown will be greater than the damage from the virus
- There is a meaningful difference between a young person dying and an old person dying
- If we could protect the old people, the death rate numbers would not be alarming.
- Face masks are a viable mitigation, without a lockdown, and no you don't need an n95 mask
- If you want to find the people who are making this into a political football, look first to those getting righteous about the incalculable value of life. That idea is not so prevalent in the virus rhetoric in a culture like Sweden where there are fewer political concerns.
- Nobody risks anything personally by blowing risk out of proportion. Nobody will care if they're wrong. The attitude which assumes some personal risk is to encourage people to think clearly about the cost of the lockdown
- The people incurring the costs of this lockdown are the young folk, and that cost extends far beyond the immediate concerns of this virus. The people the lockdown is in service of, is the old folk.
@Horace said in RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt:
Yeah Mr Levitt is saying a bunch of reasonable stuff that people are castigated as stupid and evil for saying. To wit:
- The damage from the lockdown will be greater than the damage from the virus
- There is a meaningful difference between a young person dying and an old person dying
- If we could protect the old people, the death rate numbers would not be alarming.
- Face masks are a viable mitigation, without a lockdown, and no you don't need an n95 mask
- If you want to find the people who are making this into a political football, look first to those getting righteous about the incalculable value of life. That idea is not so prevalent in the virus rhetoric in a culture like Sweden where there are fewer political concerns.
- Nobody risks anything personally by blowing risk out of proportion. Nobody will care if they're wrong. The attitude which assumes some personal risk is to encourage people to think clearly about the cost of the lockdown
- The people incurring the costs of this lockdown are the young folk, and that cost extends far beyond the immediate concerns of this virus. The people the lockdown is in service of, is the old folk.
I haven’t listened to yet but if this is accurate #7 is the most alarming.
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he goes into that towards the end of the interview. It becomes a little touchy feely where he says how much joy young people like his grandchildren give him and that as an old person he's had a great life and is willing to sacrifice to ensure the young folk have those same opportunities.
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Yeah Mr Levitt is saying a bunch of reasonable stuff that people are castigated as stupid and evil for saying. To wit:
- The damage from the lockdown will be greater than the damage from the virus
- There is a meaningful difference between a young person dying and an old person dying
- If we could protect the old people, the death rate numbers would not be alarming.
- Face masks are a viable mitigation, without a lockdown, and no you don't need an n95 mask
- If you want to find the people who are making this into a political football, look first to those getting righteous about the incalculable value of life. That idea is not so prevalent in the virus rhetoric in a culture like Sweden where there are fewer political concerns.
- Nobody risks anything personally by blowing risk out of proportion. Nobody will care if they're wrong. The attitude which assumes some personal risk is to encourage people to think clearly about the cost of the lockdown
- The people incurring the costs of this lockdown are the young folk, and that cost extends far beyond the immediate concerns of this virus. The people the lockdown is in service of, is the old folk.
@Horace said in RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt:
- The damage from the lockdown will be greater than the damage from the virus
The damage from the lockdown is damage from the virus.
People think the current economic problems are entirely due to a coerced supply disruption. But Sweden tells us otherwise.
Only non-witches get due process.
- Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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The thing is, first they say it's not that bad, then it morphs into 'only sick people are going to die' - now it's 'sacrifice the old to save the young'.
I don't trust these people.
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@Horace said in RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt:
- The damage from the lockdown will be greater than the damage from the virus
The damage from the lockdown is damage from the virus.
People think the current economic problems are entirely due to a coerced supply disruption. But Sweden tells us otherwise.
@jon-nyc said in RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt:
@Horace said in RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt:
- The damage from the lockdown will be greater than the damage from the virus
The damage from the lockdown is damage from the virus.
Oh I see. It appears that everybody's thinking on this issue from the get-go has been based on a non-existent distinction. That's a shame.
People think the current economic problems are entirely due to a coerced supply disruption. But Sweden tells us otherwise.
I'm sure people are hard at work trying to find the numbers they want to find coming out of Sweden. And if they don't find them, they will attribute the success to a culture capable of social distancing without coercion. Meanwhile, people are still going to work and kids are still going to school.
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Right or wrong, they have a hell of lot more fatality. This is a log scale.
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I know we're only hearing about the bad cases, but there are a lot of those, it seems. There are also plenty of people not dying but getting really sick, and if hospitals are overwhelmed, then it seems likely that a lot more of these people will die, which is what we're trying to avoid, after all. I was tempted not to even point this out, as it seems so blindingly obvious, but apparently some people still don't actually believe it, or think it's important.
@Doctor-Phibes said in RNZ Interview with Michael Levitt:
I know we're only hearing about the bad cases, but there are a lot of those, it seems. There are also plenty of people not dying but getting really sick, and if hospitals are overwhelmed, then it seems likely that a lot more of these people will die, which is what we're trying to avoid, after all.
Agree with this. Plus, as bad as things are, does anybody still really think that things would have been better if there were no lockdowns/stay at home orders?? I just think things would have been so much worse.
