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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    Link to video

    To my ear, seemed rushed, and not musical.

    Thoughts?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      I agree it's rushed. Still parts of it were nice.

      Here's the antidote:

      Link to video

      Listen to the whole first movement. But for those who don't have time fast forward to 3:00 and get a taste. Or 12:30. Almost sounds like slow practice.

      You were warned.

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      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

        I agree it's rushed. Still parts of it were nice.

        Here's the antidote:

        Link to video

        Listen to the whole first movement. But for those who don't have time fast forward to 3:00 and get a taste. Or 12:30. Almost sounds like slow practice.

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        George K
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        @jon-nyc said in Valentina:

        I agree it's rushed. Still parts of it were nice.

        Here's the antidote:

        LOL.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          George K
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          I saw her perform this in 2007, and it was nothing like what the video had.

          Here's what I said:

          Part 2: Beethoven
          Sonata #23 in f minor, Op. 57 ("Appasionata")

          OMFG! This is music that everyone knows. This is music that is overplayed. This was Beethoven played like I've not heard before. She has a talent for bringing out the hidden voices, the "connections" between the sections, the startling suddenness of Beethoven. Sforzandi (sp?) going to pp passages and vice versa. Shocking, new.

          I was surprised at the amount of pedal she used in the 2nd movement. She would play the chord, lift her hand, and let the pedal hold the notes, taking advantage of the piano, rather than holding the notes for the entire time. Interesting.

          Totally accurate and played with aplomb.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            I almost had Valentina at my house a few years back as she was looking for a place to practice. She wanted to work on the Hammerklavier Sonata - fell through but would have been fun.

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            • kluursK kluurs

              I almost had Valentina at my house a few years back as she was looking for a place to practice. She wanted to work on the Hammerklavier Sonata - fell through but would have been fun.

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              @kluurs said in Valentina:

              a few years back

              More like a dozen years back, LOL.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG George K

                Link to video

                To my ear, seemed rushed, and not musical.

                Thoughts?

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                @george-k said in Valentina:

                Link to video

                To my ear, seemed rushed, and not musical.

                Thoughts?

                Rushed is kind of her MO in my opinion.

                Please love yourself.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  I agree it's rushed. Still parts of it were nice.

                  Here's the antidote:

                  Link to video

                  Listen to the whole first movement. But for those who don't have time fast forward to 3:00 and get a taste. Or 12:30. Almost sounds like slow practice.

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                  Loki
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                  I’ve always loved the third movement.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Link to video

                    To my ear, seemed rushed, and not musical.

                    Thoughts?

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                    @george-k said in Valentina:

                    To my ear, seemed rushed, and not musical.

                    I disagree. It's a terrific interpretation. Maybe different than the "mainstream" interpretation. But that's what makes it interesting. Who needs yet another recording that sounds like 20 other recordings out there?

                    I think the slightly "machine-like" sound in some places is not an accident. It reminded me a lot of Prokofiev's Toccata. For instance, compare the part that starts around 3:30 with the beginning of Prokofiev's piece.

                    Link to video

                    I wouldn't be surprised if Prokofiev was inspired by that sonata. In any case, I found it an interesting new angle on that staple of piano sonatas.

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