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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #13

    Turbo is ok, but it shortens the life of an engine. That may or may not be important.

    CVT transmissions are usually a problem over the long haul, particularly certain brands such as JATCO.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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      Doctor Phibes
      wrote on last edited by Doctor Phibes
      #14

      Embrace the suburban life, Jon.

      What you need is a mini-van, a/k/a The Loser Cruiser.

      Sure, get lots of heated bits. It will take your mind off the black, empty void in your soul.

      I was only joking

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      • KlausK Klaus

        Heated steering wheel is really nice when it’s cold. Maybe not needed in NY.

        Cooled seats are nice, too, but they don’t make a huge difference.

        My next car should have the ability to mirror my phone screen on the display, including touch control.

        Ability to retract rear seats into a sleeping position is worth a lot when traveling with kids.

        I have 4WD but I find it rather useless. I’d rather have the better mileage of 2WD.

        I agree with George that sunroofs are completely useless.

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        George K
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        #15

        @klaus said in Car shopping question:

        I have 4WD but I find it rather useless. I’d rather have the better mileage of 2WD.

        Consumer reports did an analysis of the utility of AWD and found it's basically worthless in most situations. When we had the Cheddarshack, we had a steep hill which would be totally impossible without AWD. But for suburban/urban driving, I'd not miss it (and I love my Quattro!).

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Turbo is ok, but it shortens the life of an engine. That may or may not be important.

          CVT transmissions are usually a problem over the long haul, particularly certain brands such as JATCO.

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          George K
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          #16

          @jolly said in Car shopping question:

          Turbo is ok, but it shortens the life of an engine.

          My 2006 A4 went a quarter of a million miles....

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @jolly said in Car shopping question:

            Turbo is ok, but it shortens the life of an engine.

            My 2006 A4 went a quarter of a million miles....

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #17

            @george-k Always an exception to a general rule...😊

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Offline
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              Disagree on sunroofs.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                xenon
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                #19

                On turbos - the physics of the technology demand more "stress" in the engine. Good engineering and bad engineering will still determine longevity of the system.

                That said - engineering good reliability on a turbo engine is likely a harder problem than engineering it on a naturally aspirated one.

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                • RainmanR Offline
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                  Rainman
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #20

                  In the old days, turbos would fry. That's always been an issue, in how to cool it enough. Red hot is very hot, and baked oil is not good. If you're not a lead foot, then there is no reason why a turbo should decrease the longevity of the engine, at least not much.

                  I agree with everyone's suggestions. I would add that I like to sit higher, and I like mirrors that are large enough to actually be useful. We had a Cougar where the outside mirrors were sleek, small and stylish. But, were useless as a driving aid. Trucks have large mirrors. Get a big truck (F-350), you'll be a hero in suburbia.

                  Speaking of mirrors, I like heated mirrors. We frequently get frost, so it's a good option. And when it's that cold, it's nice to have a heated steering wheel. Heated seats are inexpensive (technology is just a heating pad), cooling seats with a separate fan and ducts is expensive. Never had it, but would be cool.

                  I'd also give some weight to the exterior lights. Some vehicles have huge rear brake lights just for the style. There are some cars out there where the rear lights are tiny. Bigger is better, for the guy behind you not paying attention.

                  Visibility is important. Cameras can only do so much. It gets old running over kids in suburbia. See-through headrests for rear passengers increase visibility when you look over your shoulder. Another style thing is smaller windows. Check height by sitting in the car and pretending to rest your arm on the door sill with the window down. New cars are sometimes so high, you could not rest your arm like in your old 57 Chev. High sides are why you can't see the motorcycle next to you.

                  I TOLD you to buy the Vette. You wouldn't be going through all of this now. Suburbia. God. Next you'll want wood paneling on the exterior, and then. . . an electric lawn mower with a long cord. Then you'll start wearing sweaters with matching slippers.
                  Might as well be dead.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    #21

                    Why in heck would you buy a turbo if you were not a leadfoot?

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Axtremus
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                      Automatic transmission; but if it’s manual transmission, make sure you insist on getting at least three pedals.

                      If you expect to spend quite a bit of time in the car, I’d say good lumbar support, comfortable seat, the sort that can be adjusted every which way, including seat height and maybe even tilt, not just pushing it forward a bit or backward a bit.

                      Backup camera.

                      Adaptive cruise control.

                      Whatever they call the thing that automatically keep your car in its lane, and the thing that automatically applies breaking when the system thinks you’re getting too close or about to crash into whatever is in front.

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                        LuFins Dad
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                        #23

                        @jon-nyc said in Car shopping question:

                        that. I can imagine some features being very useful (backup camera, for example). Others I can imagine being really nice to have (heated seats).

                        Last rental had a really nice feature I plan on getting in my next car... When you turn on your turn signal, it activates a camera in your blindspot on that side...

                        The Brad

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                          #24

                          I drove a car that the headlights turned when the steering wheel turned.

                          It actually was quite helpful on dark, unfamiliar roads.

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
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                            #25

                            A Citroen?

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              jodi
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                              #26

                              Heated seats. Backup camera.

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                              • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                I drove a car that the headlights turned when the steering wheel turned.

                                It actually was quite helpful on dark, unfamiliar roads.

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                                Copper
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #27

                                @taiwan_girl said in Car shopping question:

                                I drove a car that the headlights turned when the steering wheel turned.

                                It actually was quite helpful on dark, unfamiliar roads.

                                My 1977 Thunderbird had a white light on each side that came on at night when you turned. It lit up the side where you were turning.

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                                  Friday
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #28

                                  Power.
                                  And it has to look pretty.
                                  Keyless entry.
                                  Blind spot monitoring.
                                  I'm in SoCal. My needs are different.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    #29

                                    For those unenthusiastic about a sunroof.

                                    Seems to me they're cool to have even if you don't open them. Obviously not always, but in the winter and evenings its always cool to have the light coming in , no?

                                    Also when we rent cars with sunroofs the boy is pretty good about not ignoring them. He opens them at every opportunity unless it's noon in Miami.

                                    You were warned.

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                                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #30

                                      This thread has been useful. Confirming in some respects (heated seats, backup camera) and informative in others. I wasn't sure what to think of all the 'driver assist' tech, but it seems like it is universally appreciated.

                                      You were warned.

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                                      • CopperC Copper

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Car shopping question:

                                        I drove a car that the headlights turned when the steering wheel turned.

                                        It actually was quite helpful on dark, unfamiliar roads.

                                        My 1977 Thunderbird had a white light on each side that came on at night when you turned. It lit up the side where you were turning.

                                        JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #31

                                        @copper said in Car shopping question:

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Car shopping question:

                                        I drove a car that the headlights turned when the steering wheel turned.

                                        It actually was quite helpful on dark, unfamiliar roads.

                                        My 1977 Thunderbird had a white light on each side that came on at night when you turned. It lit up the side where you were turning.

                                        So did my 84 Buick. Those were wired to the turn signal. I don't know why you don't see them anymore, because they worked great.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          For those unenthusiastic about a sunroof.

                                          Seems to me they're cool to have even if you don't open them. Obviously not always, but in the winter and evenings its always cool to have the light coming in , no?

                                          Also when we rent cars with sunroofs the boy is pretty good about not ignoring them. He opens them at every opportunity unless it's noon in Miami.

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #32

                                          @jon-nyc said in Car shopping question:

                                          For those unenthusiastic about a sunroof.

                                          Seems to me they're cool to have even if you don't open them. Obviously not always, but in the winter and evenings its always cool to have the light coming in , no?

                                          Also when we rent cars with sunroofs the boy is pretty good about not ignoring them. He opens them at every opportunity unless it's noon in Miami.

                                          Wait until you get a leak in one...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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