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No ICU beds left in Mississippi?

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    A general word about hospitals...To provide good care, a hospital becomes a very complicated system, much like landing fighters on an aircraft carrier. If they do it well, it becomes almost seamless and looks easy.

    One good screw-up, sometimes even a minor screw-up, and somebody dies.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      A general word about hospitals...To provide good care, a hospital becomes a very complicated system, much like landing fighters on an aircraft carrier. If they do it well, it becomes almost seamless and looks easy.

      One good screw-up, sometimes even a minor screw-up, and somebody dies.

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      @jolly said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

      A general word about hospitals...To provide good care, a hospital becomes a very complicated system, much like landing fighters on an aircraft carrier. If they do it well, it becomes almost seamless and looks easy.

      One good screw-up, sometimes even a minor screw-up, and somebody dies.

      True. On the positive side hospitals uniquely never shut down some have been 24/7 for 200 years, they are our most advanced ecosystem.

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        Interesting article from Health Affairs.

        There Are Not Nearly Enough Nurses To Handle The Surge Of Coronavirus Patients: Here’s How To Close the Gap Quickly

        https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200327.714037/full/```

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          @loki said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

          @george-k said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

          @loki said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

          your full of shit comment

          Nope, nope, nope.

          ICU nurses know what blood gas analysis means. They know how to look at a monitor and see troubling things on an EKG. They know about ventilator settings.

          This is no something you learn in a week. This is something you learn after months of mentoring.

          I could always pick out the noobs in the ICU from the experienced bitches who would cut my balls off if I screwed up.

          Ask any floor nurse to look at a 12-lead EKG and they'd scratch their pretty heads and say, "Hmmm??" Not gonna happen with an ICU or an ER nurse. They're a different breed, thank goodness. They were my eyes and ears.

          I believe I said it was a resource issue so if that’s the argument we have no issue but we are not going to run out of beds as the limiting issue. Caregivers will be traveling. By the way we already saw this movie in NYC.

          They can travel, but you ain't never worked with agency nurses. Assuming you can get them.

          Again, ask George's wife about her opinion of agency nurses.

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          @jolly said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

          ask George's wife about her opinion of agency nurses

          Her place (the university) never had agency ("temp") nurses in the ICU.

          My bride worked as an agency ICU nurse for about a year back in the early 1990s. One day a week, perhaps two days per month. She hated it. Always felt behind the 8-ball. Always felt like she never got to "know the place."

          And, she always got the shittiest patients.

          Do you want that taking care of you?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Interesting article from Health Affairs.

            There Are Not Nearly Enough Nurses To Handle The Surge Of Coronavirus Patients: Here’s How To Close the Gap Quickly

            https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200327.714037/full/```

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            @loki said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

            Interesting article from Health Affairs.

            There Are Not Nearly Enough Nurses To Handle The Surge Of Coronavirus Patients: Here’s How To Close the Gap Quickly

            https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20200327.714037/full/```
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            Written by a bean counter.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Today is the peak day for ICU beds and the decline begins

              https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources

              Nationally less than half of available ICU beds are in use. Of course that doesn’t account for specific states but still ICU availability was a burning issue some months ago and now we can start looking at the reality.

              PS don’t look at national ventilator use. It’s a fourth of what Coumo wanted for his state alone back in March.

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                Today is the peak day for ICU beds and the decline begins

                https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources

                Nationally less than half of available ICU beds are in use. Of course that doesn’t account for specific states but still ICU availability was a burning issue some months ago and now we can start looking at the reality.

                PS don’t look at national ventilator use. It’s a fourth of what Coumo wanted for his state alone back in March.

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                @loki said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

                Today is the peak day for ICU beds and the decline begins

                https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=all_resources

                Nationally less than half of available ICU beds are in use. Of course that doesn’t account for specific states but still ICU availability was a burning issue some months ago and now we can start looking at the reality.

                PS don’t look at national ventilator use. It’s a fourth of what Coumo wanted for his state alone back in March.

                How did the CDC do for the IFR again? I mean when this began.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  I disagree with Jolly about a lot of things, but I'd trust him regarding hospital logistics every time.

                  I was only joking

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                    Notice how ICU bed shortage stories just collapsed.

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                      Notice how ICU bed shortage stories just collapsed.

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                      @loki

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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        @george-k said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

                        @loki

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                        Well at least we know here.

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                          The ICU bed problems still exist down here. Although, it may have slacked a little.

                          I served as a pallbearer last week. She was the second death in the community within seven days.

                          The lack of stories dovetails with states like Michigan opening up businesses two days after inauguration.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            Just the facts ma’am

                            ICU capacity as of Jan 18, Near our peak demand.

                            https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/mili-misrc-covid19-tracking-project

                            Message is don’t believe the news just because they are advocating a narrative for their purposes.

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                              Notice how ICU bed shortage stories just collapsed.

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                              @loki said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

                              Notice how ICU bed shortage stories just collapsed.

                              Do a google news search on ‘ICU capacity’. I see lots of stories on NoCal and Texas in the last 24 hours.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

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                                @loki said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

                                Notice how ICU bed shortage stories just collapsed.

                                Do a google news search on ‘ICU capacity’. I see lots of stories on NoCal and Texas in the last 24 hours.

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                                @jon-nyc said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

                                @loki said in No ICU beds left in Mississippi?:

                                Notice how ICU bed shortage stories just collapsed.

                                Do a coke news search on ‘ICU capacity’. I see lots of stories on NoCal and Texas in the last 24 hours.

                                First thing as saw. Multiple articles. Liked the title of this one the most as ending lockdown is suddenly important.

                                https://sfist.com/2021/01/24/bay-area-icu-capacity-swings-to-23-4-could-lockdown-end-soon/

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