How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.
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@Copper said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
As a Trump voter, I should decline the vaccine.
But as a democrat, I should demonstrate fealty to my government masters.
It is a tough call.
This sort of science is never easy.
Your body, your choice.
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At some point we are going to ask if we were able to approve the vaccine in October how many lives would we have saved. So during that time we thought Trump only wanted it for re-election but now we see what a vast difference it would have made. The level of misery and death will peak in January, now is just the beginning.
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@Jolly said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Loki said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
I could say 'remember thalidomide?' The FDA saved you from the horrors of that one.
For 80 year olds. What did It do to them?
Yes, I take the point. But in the highly unlikely event that a tragedy occurs, there will be a lot of finger pointing, and the cause for vaccination in general would be put back decades.
You're a safety guy. Is any action 100% safe? Or is there always an element of allowable risk?
I've always been a common-sense kind of person in my work, and based on what little I know (and my complete lack of expertise in all things medical) I would approve the vaccine now. I have worked with people who are such perfectionists that they will absolutely refuse to release an approval before everything is perfect. I find this approach to be one of the most aggravating and frustrating things when working with safety folks - I've had meetings where I literally have to sit on my hands to stop myself from 'reaching out'. There is a tendency in approval type professions to attract people who cannot let things go, however small.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@Jolly said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
@jon-nyc said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
Well you know Jolly there was a pandemic and 30% unemployment. That might well have spurred the FDA as much as any nasty tweet.
Bullshit. Pure partisan bullshit.
Remember, toots, I was dodging feces from AIDS patients when you were still trying to figure out how to depth-charge a beer in college. Or maybe that was high school. Did you know tests were available on automated platforms, platforms that were being used in the U.S., but the FDA would not let us have the tests? The Europeans were running them by the hundreds of thousands, by the millions, and all we could do was grit our teeth. Safety you know. Protocol must be followed. There are rules, you know. Wonder how many died because of that?
I was around for Swine Flu, too. Saw some foot dragging there, too.
Not to mention various other maladies.
So give credit, where credit is deserved.
Do you remember President Trump implying they should do less testing because it was making the numbers look bad?
You can't try and seriously claim there wasn't some seriously mixed messaging coming out of the WH.
Ok..... this is ridiculous. This is a perfect example of how those on the Left process information and screw it up. The context is totally dropped, one thing is pulled out, and then given a completely backward to the truth meaning. Trump had spent months doing everything he could to increase testing. One of the results of that increased testing is that the more you test, the more cases you find. Conversely, the less you test, the fewer cases you find. Common sense - until the Trump haters get involved.
Trump and his covid team had done a great job of getting testing ramped up. Had he not, the Trump haters would have beat him up for not ramping up testing. He ramped up testing, so the only thing they could do to beat him up was to beat him up over the resulting numbers. "Mr. Trump, you've done such a lousy job that it's your fault that the US has so many covid cases!" Then Trump explains that if you test more, you will find more cases, and if you test less you'll find fewer cases, the countries' numbers you are beating me up with had far less testing, so naturally they will find fewer cases, and if we had tested less we would have found fewer cases.
Most sane people would be able to connect those dots and recognize that it's simple common sense. But NOOO, not the Trump haters. They can't think deep enough into something to connect the dots. What they walked away with was "Trump said they should do less testing because it was making the numbers look bad"
Im not sure if this lack of an ability to process information is intentional and they really know better, or if they're actually that simple minded. I'm not sure if this simple mindedness is what makes them Lefties, or if being a Lefty makes them simple minded. But what I DO know is that Trump neither said, nor implied, that we should do less testing because it was making the numbers look bad. Never. Ever.
He never said we should drink bleach either, but that got tossed in in another thread.
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You honestly don't think that Trump has sent out some mixed messages during this crisis?
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
You honestly don't think that Trump has sent out some mixed messages during this crisis?
That depends on whether you are cnn or fox.
Did you know it is possible to use the same information to get 2 completely different headlines?
One might say mixed messages or flip flop.
Another might say brilliant evolving strategy.
Come on, try it, you can make up a headline for either side.
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As I posted earlier, I have repeatedly said that I don't particularly blame Trump for the US Covid situation.
I don't think he did a very good job, or provide consistent leadership, but lots of people didn't. It's extremely unfortunate that something as basic as wearing a mask has become so politicized, but it seems local governments should take more responsibility for this.
If there's one thing this pandemic has shown, it's what a bunch of fucking dickheads there are out there.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in How bad is the pandemic? Look at hospitalizations.:
You honestly don't think that Trump has sent out some mixed messages during this crisis?
No, I do not. I watched that interview, I heard what he said with my own ears. I heard the Leftwing media interviewer as she attempted to beat him up, I heard his response, and then I watched the narrative that you are now pushing get created. There's not a bit of truth to your story.
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OK, I'll point out what I think was a mixed message.
Those times early on, where he didn't wear a mask.That's the issue I had with him. As a leader, he could ask, not tell, what he wanted his fellow Americans to do, based on input from Fauci. Same at the State level with these lousy hypocritical governors. Some of those democrat bastards tell the public what to do, then do as they please because I don't know, they're just special. The media made everything worse, as always, turning everything into clickbait, and everything is and was pretty much, orange man bad.
Trump didn't screw up, in my view. However, next time, and there will be a next time, there should be clear policies and procedures in place. Once something like a novel virus is detected, immediate 100% lockdown to stop the spread.
Overall, Trump did a great job, just as I would expect any president to do. Sure, mistakes. But he did not fuck around, when he stopped air travel, and began the most difficult part of the process: explaining to Americans what was happening, and why the country was under attack from something invisible and unseeable.
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Now this LEADERSHIP (from behind)
The WHO is set to approve the vaccine.....wait for it....in a couple of weeks. Remember how we were supposed to rely on WHO?
Actually it’s just another reminder of how messed up the blame game has been.
