A 2025 Retrospective.
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I hate cities, by and large. Smaller ones down south have been okay.
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It's not like I live in a city now. We're just outside the Boston commute zone, but it's still kind of miserably suburban.
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Personally, I'd absolutely love to live in the countryside. I also loved where we were in Canada, which was a small town surrounded by a shit-ton of rocks, trees, fields and what-not.
The work dictates the place, unfortunately.
@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Personally, I'd absolutely love to live in the countryside. I also loved where we were in Canada, which was a small town surrounded by a shit-ton of rocks, trees, fields and what-not.
The work dictates the place, unfortunately.
That sums it up for me completely. The economics are one thing, but the quality of life as one perceives it, that's different.
It will be interesting how the economics pans out when working from home allows people to live where they want. I know that with my business I could make it work so I could live anywhere on the planet. If I were younger and didn't have so many ties in regards to family, I'd do it. Or, buy one of those humongous motor homes and deck it out with all the latest for internet connections. Or if there were even smaller gadgets I could stuff them in my motorcycle saddlebags. Then Came Bronson. That would be me.I've read about the grumblings of rural folks that are not happy with the city-slickers and their attitude moving out into their communities. Matter of face, the same is said about States e.g., Californians moving to Arizona and Texas. Heck, for decades, Oregonians were upset that Californians were flooding the Portland area, and bringing their ideology with them.
Thanks, California!
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There's one thing that unites us all. We love complaining.
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@taiwan_girl said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Doctor-Phibes by any current measuring, the more agricultural a country is, the poorer it is.
Nope. Not true at all. lol
@Larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@taiwan_girl said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Doctor-Phibes by any current measuring, the more agricultural a country is, the poorer it is.
Nope. Not true at all. lol
It is absolutely true. I am to sure why you say it is not true. What measuring do you use to dispute this?
I love farming, but farming is a tough business, especially when talking about subsistence farming.
Countries Most Dependent on Agriculture. The table below is a bit bad formatted but is the % of country GDP that is associated with agriculture. None of those countries would be considered "rich"
Rank Country Agriculture as Percentage of GDP
1 Liberia 76.9
2 Somalia 60.2
3 Guinea-Bissau 55.8
4 Central African Republic 53.1
5 Chad 52.7
6 Comoros 51.6
7 Sierra Leone 51.5
8 Togo 46
9 Ethiopia 41
10 Niger 39
11 Mali 38.8
12 Burma (Myanmar) 38.2
13 Democratic Republic of the Congo 37.5
14 Benin 36
15 Nepal 34.9 -
I thought you were using that fact to make the claim that the rural areas of the US are poor. I see now that you weren't, so I'm left with the question - why did you even bring it up if that wasn't your intent? Farm areas of third world countries has nothing to do with this discussion.
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I thought you were using that fact to make the claim that the rural areas of the US are poor. I see now that you weren't, so I'm left with the question - why did you even bring it up if that wasn't your intent? Farm areas of third world countries has nothing to do with this discussion.
@Larry What I was trying to say (not very clearly LOL) was that agricultural areas need cities to prosper. And vice versa.
The sum of the parts is greater than the individual parts.
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@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Most of the wealth and substantially all of the creativity is in the blue areas.
Biden counties vs Trump counties, sized by income.
@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Most of the wealth and substantially all of the creativity is in the blue areas.
Biden counties vs Trump counties, sized by income.
So are most the problems, no?
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@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Most of the wealth and substantially all of the creativity is in the blue areas.
Biden counties vs Trump counties, sized by income.
So are most the problems, no?
@loki said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Link to video@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Most of the wealth and substantially all of the creativity is in the blue areas.
Biden counties vs Trump counties, sized by income.
So are most the problems, no?
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I'm just laughing at y'all. While rural areas may not have some of the things the urban areas have, let me list a few things...
- Oil.
- Natural gas.
- Wheat
- Corn.
- Cattle
- Chickens.
- Coal
- Hogs.
- Rice
- Sugar
- Timber
- Etc.
Now, I'm in a pretty rural area and the regional per capita income would never compare with Boston or New York. But...
I can draw a 120 mile circle and encompass a couple of automotive manufacturing plants, a refinery, one of the largest gas fields in the country, one of the largest soap mills in the country, the largest private sawmill in the country, two plywood/OSB plants, one of the biggest specialty aluminum factories in the country, four power plants, linerboard mill, toilet paper mill, a copy paper mill and the largest concentration of chemical plants in the country. And there's lots more, big and small.
Maybe y'all can import it, I don't know, but it looks to me that if y'all can't import it, you're going to starve in the dark, without anything to wipe your backside except your worthless, fiat money.
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I'm just laughing at y'all. While rural areas may not have some of the things the urban areas have, let me list a few things...
- Oil.
- Natural gas.
- Wheat
- Corn.
- Cattle
- Chickens.
- Coal
- Hogs.
- Rice
- Sugar
- Timber
- Etc.
Now, I'm in a pretty rural area and the regional per capita income would never compare with Boston or New York. But...
I can draw a 120 mile circle and encompass a couple of automotive manufacturing plants, a refinery, one of the largest gas fields in the country, one of the largest soap mills in the country, the largest private sawmill in the country, two plywood/OSB plants, one of the biggest specialty aluminum factories in the country, four power plants, linerboard mill, toilet paper mill, a copy paper mill and the largest concentration of chemical plants in the country. And there's lots more, big and small.
Maybe y'all can import it, I don't know, but it looks to me that if y'all can't import it, you're going to starve in the dark, without anything to wipe your backside except your worthless, fiat money.
@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Oil.
Natural gas.
Wheat
Corn.
Cattle
Chickens.
Coal
Hogs.
Rice
Sugar
Timber
Etc.And how much of those things could be produced without the technology, education, finance etc. mainly provided by cities? You are looking at standards of living from 300 years ago.
Have you ever climbed the stairs of the Eiffel tower? If the steps were labeled "countryside" or "city", you are claiming that you can reach the top merely because the bottommost step is labeled "countryside".
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
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I was assured that the Republicans are the party of the rich.
:man-shrugging:
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Oil.
Natural gas.
Wheat
Corn.
Cattle
Chickens.
Coal
Hogs.
Rice
Sugar
Timber
Etc.And how much of those things could be produced without the technology, education, finance etc. mainly provided by cities? You are looking at standards of living from 300 years ago.
Have you ever climbed the stairs of the Eiffel tower? If the steps were labeled "countryside" or "city", you are claiming that you can reach the top merely because the bottommost step is labeled "countryside".
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
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@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.
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@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.
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Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world. Then sure, farms win.
@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.
Like I said above...
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@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.
Like I said above...
@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@jon-nyc said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world.
Like I said above...
Not that simple. Y'all continue to underestimate food, energy, chemical and manufacturing capacity of those red counties.
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@aqua-letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@klaus said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Like it or not, but it's a symbiotic relationship.
I can't believe this even needs to be pointed out.
Point it out. It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.
@jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
It's symbiotic, but if the two are separated, who dies and who lives?
That is the question.I realize that's probably a huge hope for you, but I'm sorry to tell you that's very unlikely. Show me all the evidence in the world, and I'm going to counter with the long list of cities in America that continue to exist.
Please love yourself.
