A 2025 Retrospective.
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wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 15:14 last edited by
Jolly’s a prepper at heart. When he asks ‘which would do better’ I think he has survival scenarios in his mind that assume no trade with the outside world. Then sure, farms win.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Without people to pay for and eat their food, farmers aren't actually going to survive for very long.
So, you can split the country in two, but they're still going to be totally reliant on one another.
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
The natural resources are in the more rural parts of the country. So are the refineries. And the small towns and cities are not bereft of manufacturing.
And, if COVID gas shown us anything, a city is not needed an intellectual nexus or even a financial hub.
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 15:19 last edited by Doctor Phibes 12 Mar 2020, 15:19@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Without people to pay for and eat their food, farmers aren't actually going to survive for very long.
So, you can split the country in two, but they're still going to be totally reliant on one another.
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
Large numbers of people.
You can't run a large farm without selling the stuff to somebody. You can't have a modern industrialized nation based on farming.
I suspect you'd have been happier living in 1860, but it's nearly 2021.
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@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Without people to pay for and eat their food, farmers aren't actually going to survive for very long.
So, you can split the country in two, but they're still going to be totally reliant on one another.
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
Large numbers of people.
You can't run a large farm without selling the stuff to somebody. You can't have a modern industrialized nation based on farming.
I suspect you'd have been happier living in 1860, but it's nearly 2021.
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 15:56 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes by any current measuring, the more agricultural a country is, the poorer it is.
Obviously, you need a balance but cities need rural areas and rural areas need cities.
As @jon-nyc mentioned, some smaller places can succeed by being cities only (like Singapore or maybe Hong Kong) but I am not sure how that would scale up for somewhere like the US.
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Kind of fun "what if " article, but that is all it is.
Each part of the US contributes to the success of the US, and without each other, the rurals and the cities would not be able to survive.
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 16:39 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Kind of fun "what if " article, but that is all it is.
Each part of the US contributes to the success of the US, and without each other, the rurals and the cities would not be able to survive.
You swallow the leftwing line like a starving person being handed cheese. Your statement is almost word for word straight out of the Left's talking points. It's also incorrect. There is absolutely nothing - N. O. T. H. I. N. G. cities offer that the rest of the country can't provide themselves. The "rural" America isn't like rural Taiwan.
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@Doctor-Phibes by any current measuring, the more agricultural a country is, the poorer it is.
Obviously, you need a balance but cities need rural areas and rural areas need cities.
As @jon-nyc mentioned, some smaller places can succeed by being cities only (like Singapore or maybe Hong Kong) but I am not sure how that would scale up for somewhere like the US.
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 16:41 last edited by@taiwan_girl said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Doctor-Phibes by any current measuring, the more agricultural a country is, the poorer it is.
Nope. Not true at all. lol
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@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Without people to pay for and eat their food, farmers aren't actually going to survive for very long.
So, you can split the country in two, but they're still going to be totally reliant on one another.
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
The natural resources are in the more rural parts of the country. So are the refineries. And the small towns and cities are not bereft of manufacturing.
And, if COVID gas shown us anything, a city is not needed an intellectual nexus or even a financial hub.
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 16:45 last edited by Aqua Letifer 12 Mar 2020, 17:14@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
Money. Oh, and the industries that drive the vast, vast majority of our exports.
In 2019, the United States agriculture exports accounted for $135.54 billion. Media and entertainment accounted for $771 billion.
You're going to find a way to twist or nullify this because you value famers more than you do city-slickers making movies and video games, but the numbers aren't going to change.
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wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 17:06 last edited by Doctor Phibes 12 Mar 2020, 17:06
Guess what this is a map of...
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wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 17:12 last edited by
Atlas before the shrug.
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Guess what this is a map of...
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 18:03 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Guess what this is a map of...
Does it really mean anything?
What's the cost of living? How much are taxes? Can you grow any of your own food? Can you afford a house?
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@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
Money. Oh, and the industries that drive the vast, vast majority of our exports.
In 2019, the United States agriculture exports accounted for $135.54 billion. Media and entertainment accounted for $771 billion.
You're going to find a way to twist or nullify this because you value famers more than you do city-slickers making movies and video games, but the numbers aren't going to change.
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I'm not saying I like or dislike the breakdown either. Just that the numbers are what they are.wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 18:04 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
Money. Oh, and the industries that drive the vast, vast majority of our exports.
In 2019, the United States agriculture exports accounted for $135.54 billion. Media and entertainment accounted for $771 billion.
You're going to find a way to twist or nullify this because you value famers more than you do city-slickers making movies and video games, but the numbers aren't going to change.
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I'm not saying I like or dislike the breakdown either. Just that the numbers are what they are.If the cities are so important, why are so many people leaving them?
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wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 18:06 last edited by
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@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Guess what this is a map of...
Does it really mean anything?
What's the cost of living? How much are taxes? Can you grow any of your own food? Can you afford a house?
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 18:13 last edited by Doctor Phibes 12 Mar 2020, 18:15@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Guess what this is a map of...
Does it really mean anything?
What's the cost of living? How much are taxes? Can you grow any of your own food? Can you afford a house?
What it's a graph of is how much money is donated to or taken from the Federal government.
So yes, it does mean something. It's an indication of how much money is needed from DC for a State to survive.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
Money. Oh, and the industries that drive the vast, vast majority of our exports.
In 2019, the United States agriculture exports accounted for $135.54 billion. Media and entertainment accounted for $771 billion.
You're going to find a way to twist or nullify this because you value famers more than you do city-slickers making movies and video games, but the numbers aren't going to change.
EDIT
I'm not saying I like or dislike the breakdown either. Just that the numbers are what they are.If the cities are so important, why are so many people leaving them?
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 19:23 last edited by@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Aqua-Letifer said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Jolly said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
What do the cities have that the rural counties do not have?
Money. Oh, and the industries that drive the vast, vast majority of our exports.
In 2019, the United States agriculture exports accounted for $135.54 billion. Media and entertainment accounted for $771 billion.
You're going to find a way to twist or nullify this because you value famers more than you do city-slickers making movies and video games, but the numbers aren't going to change.
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I'm not saying I like or dislike the breakdown either. Just that the numbers are what they are.If the cities are so important, why are so many people leaving them?
Cost of living. And some industries are going more remote.
I'm not saying cities are better. Just that their economic benefit can't be written off just because you personally like rural survivalist stuff more.
Most of the movies you've personally mentioned on this board were produced and edited by companies who don't do their work on a farm. Most of the publishers who published the books you've mentioned, too.
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wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 19:26 last edited by
Personally, I'd absolutely love to live in the countryside. I also loved where we were in Canada, which was a small town surrounded by a shit-ton of rocks, trees, fields and what-not.
The work dictates the place, unfortunately.
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wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 19:27 last edited by
I hate cities, by and large. Smaller ones down south have been okay.
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wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 19:28 last edited by
It's not like I live in a city now. We're just outside the Boston commute zone, but it's still kind of miserably suburban.
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Personally, I'd absolutely love to live in the countryside. I also loved where we were in Canada, which was a small town surrounded by a shit-ton of rocks, trees, fields and what-not.
The work dictates the place, unfortunately.
wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 20:09 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
Personally, I'd absolutely love to live in the countryside. I also loved where we were in Canada, which was a small town surrounded by a shit-ton of rocks, trees, fields and what-not.
The work dictates the place, unfortunately.
That sums it up for me completely. The economics are one thing, but the quality of life as one perceives it, that's different.
It will be interesting how the economics pans out when working from home allows people to live where they want. I know that with my business I could make it work so I could live anywhere on the planet. If I were younger and didn't have so many ties in regards to family, I'd do it. Or, buy one of those humongous motor homes and deck it out with all the latest for internet connections. Or if there were even smaller gadgets I could stuff them in my motorcycle saddlebags. Then Came Bronson. That would be me.I've read about the grumblings of rural folks that are not happy with the city-slickers and their attitude moving out into their communities. Matter of face, the same is said about States e.g., Californians moving to Arizona and Texas. Heck, for decades, Oregonians were upset that Californians were flooding the Portland area, and bringing their ideology with them.
Thanks, California!
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wrote on 3 Dec 2020, 20:27 last edited by
There's one thing that unites us all. We love complaining.
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@taiwan_girl said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Doctor-Phibes by any current measuring, the more agricultural a country is, the poorer it is.
Nope. Not true at all. lol
wrote on 4 Dec 2020, 02:30 last edited by taiwan_girl 12 Apr 2020, 02:31@Larry said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@taiwan_girl said in A 2025 Retrospective.:
@Doctor-Phibes by any current measuring, the more agricultural a country is, the poorer it is.
Nope. Not true at all. lol
It is absolutely true. I am to sure why you say it is not true. What measuring do you use to dispute this?
I love farming, but farming is a tough business, especially when talking about subsistence farming.
Countries Most Dependent on Agriculture. The table below is a bit bad formatted but is the % of country GDP that is associated with agriculture. None of those countries would be considered "rich"
Rank Country Agriculture as Percentage of GDP
1 Liberia 76.9
2 Somalia 60.2
3 Guinea-Bissau 55.8
4 Central African Republic 53.1
5 Chad 52.7
6 Comoros 51.6
7 Sierra Leone 51.5
8 Togo 46
9 Ethiopia 41
10 Niger 39
11 Mali 38.8
12 Burma (Myanmar) 38.2
13 Democratic Republic of the Congo 37.5
14 Benin 36
15 Nepal 34.9 -
wrote on 4 Dec 2020, 02:49 last edited by
I thought you were using that fact to make the claim that the rural areas of the US are poor. I see now that you weren't, so I'm left with the question - why did you even bring it up if that wasn't your intent? Farm areas of third world countries has nothing to do with this discussion.