Death Threats Against Election Workers
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Mr. Trump has condemned violence hundreds and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of times during his presidency.
It is never enough.
Because it is still open season on making up whatever story you want about Mr. Trump.
We will forever have to hear that he doesn't condemn violence.
He does.
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Condemning violence at one point in time is only so useful if you’re going to incite it at another.
It’s sort of the “95% peaceful” logic applied to Trump.
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How about not incite it in the first place?
And if you do target someone will that kind of language, and after which your base attacks him and his family, then feel an obligation to call them off?
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How about not incite it in the first place?
And if you do target someone will that kind of language, and after which your base attacks him and his family, then feel an obligation to call them off?
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Larry - how did he have nothing to do with the threats against Raffensperger and his family?
He’s tweeted about him repeatedly and called him an “enemy of the people”.
But for Donald Trump none of us would even know who he is. And that includes the people threatening his family.
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Ah,.. didn't recognize the name. I don't know what Trump has said about him, but friends of mine in Georgia tell me the man is ridiculous. He suffers from that "I've made up my mind and nothing will change my opinion, not even facts" syndrome that a couple here suffer from. I'm not sure anything Trump might have said has made the hostility toward the man that many Georgians already feel toward him any worse.
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From Never-Trumper Gabriel Malor:
The case he cites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeRay_Mckesson
In July 2017, Mckesson and Black Lives Matter were sued by a Baton Rouge policeman who sustained life-altering injuries in an ambush attack, claiming that Black Lives Matter "incited the violence against police in retaliation for the death (sic) of black men shot by police".[38] The suit was dismissed in October 2017; U.S. District Judge Brian Jackson’s ruling stated that the officer "utterly failed to state a plausible claim" and instead launched a "confused attack" against Black Lives Matter and others.[39] On the same day U.S. District Judge John W. deGravelles approved a settlement awarding up to $1,000 to protesters, including Mckesson, who claim police used excessive force in arresting them.[39]
However on April 24, 2019 the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed Jackson's ruling, allowing the suit to go forward. The ruling stated that: "Given the intentional lawlessness of this aspect of the demonstration, Mckesson should have known that leading the demonstrators onto a busy highway was most nearly certain to provoke a confrontation between police and the mass of demonstrators, and not withstanding, did so anyway. By ignoring the foreseeable risk of violence that his actions created, Mckesson failed to exercise reasonable care in conducting his demonstration."[40] The Supreme Court, in a per curium order, vacated the Fifth Circuit's decision on November 2, 2020, ruling that that the Fifth Circuit failed to review Louisiana state law prior to determining the constitutional aspects, and remanded the case back to the Fifth Circuit for review.[41]
It sounds like SCOTUS vacated the case on a technicality, rather than actual case law.
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From Never-Trumper Gabriel Malor:
The case he cites:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeRay_Mckesson
In July 2017, Mckesson and Black Lives Matter were sued by a Baton Rouge policeman who sustained life-altering injuries in an ambush attack, claiming that Black Lives Matter "incited the violence against police in retaliation for the death (sic) of black men shot by police".[38] The suit was dismissed in October 2017; U.S. District Judge Brian Jackson’s ruling stated that the officer "utterly failed to state a plausible claim" and instead launched a "confused attack" against Black Lives Matter and others.[39] On the same day U.S. District Judge John W. deGravelles approved a settlement awarding up to $1,000 to protesters, including Mckesson, who claim police used excessive force in arresting them.[39]
However on April 24, 2019 the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed Jackson's ruling, allowing the suit to go forward. The ruling stated that: "Given the intentional lawlessness of this aspect of the demonstration, Mckesson should have known that leading the demonstrators onto a busy highway was most nearly certain to provoke a confrontation between police and the mass of demonstrators, and not withstanding, did so anyway. By ignoring the foreseeable risk of violence that his actions created, Mckesson failed to exercise reasonable care in conducting his demonstration."[40] The Supreme Court, in a per curium order, vacated the Fifth Circuit's decision on November 2, 2020, ruling that that the Fifth Circuit failed to review Louisiana state law prior to determining the constitutional aspects, and remanded the case back to the Fifth Circuit for review.[41]
It sounds like SCOTUS vacated the case on a technicality, rather than actual case law.
@george-k I agree. While President Trump has to have some “moral” responsibility, I don’t think he is directly responsible.
These people are all adults broke into the capitol and need to be taking their own responsibility.
If you tell me to rob a bank, and I do, I cannot blame you for the crime.
On the other side for example, if a person is driving with a passenger, and the passenger jumps out and kills someone, the driver can be charged just as reposnsible, even if they had no previous idea what was going to happen.
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@george-k I agree. While President Trump has to have some “moral” responsibility, I don’t think he is directly responsible.
These people are all adults broke into the capitol and need to be taking their own responsibility.
If you tell me to rob a bank, and I do, I cannot blame you for the crime.
On the other side for example, if a person is driving with a passenger, and the passenger jumps out and kills someone, the driver can be charged just as reposnsible, even if they had no previous idea what was going to happen.
@taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:
If you tell me to rob a bank, and I do, I cannot blame you for the crime.
Charlie Manson might feel differently.
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@taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:
If you tell me to rob a bank, and I do, I cannot blame you for the crime.
Charlie Manson might feel differently.
@aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!!
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@aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!!
@taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:
@aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!!
He also never killed anybody.
Please love yourself.
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@taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:
@aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!!
He also never killed anybody.
@aqua-letifer True.
Maybe the devout President Trump supporters are brainwashed. Maybe the way President Trump blinks his eyes hypnotizes them into doing crazy things. Lol
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@taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:
@aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!!
He also never killed anybody.
@aqua-letifer said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:
@taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:
@aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!!
He also never killed anybody.
You think...
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@aqua-letifer True.
Maybe the devout President Trump supporters are brainwashed. Maybe the way President Trump blinks his eyes hypnotizes them into doing crazy things. Lol
@taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:
@aqua-letifer True.
Maybe the devout President Trump supporters are brainwashed. Maybe the way President Trump blinks his eyes hypnotizes them into doing crazy things. Lol
lol well I don't think Trump is Charles Manson or anywhere close, but there is a legal point to be made here.
You're not off the hook for inciting a mob just because you're a coward and watched what you did to the country behind your secret service detail.
