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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #7

    This is what I was talking about the other day in George’s thread.

    No one held out hope that Trump would condemn this, he was too busy egging it on.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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    • LarryL Offline
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      Larry
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      #8

      Reading the article it seems to me that an election official working out of the Georgia Secretary of State's office, the Secretary of State being suspected of being involved in the election fraud that is going on in Georgia by the way, was told that one 20 year old kid working in the ballot counting was sent a picture of a noose by some other kid on Facebook and told he should be hung, has decided to accuse Trump of "inspiring" it.

      What the kid who sent the picture did and said was wrong, but so is attempting to blame Trump for it.

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      • jon-nycJ Online
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        jon-nyc
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        #9

        The Secretary of State Raffensperger and his wife have received death threats. He’s a Republican who voted for and gave money to the Trump campaign.

        Trump literally called him an “enemy of the people”.

        I think we can apportion some blame there.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Copper
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          #10

          Mr. Trump has condemned violence hundreds and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of times during his presidency.

          It is never enough.

          Because it is still open season on making up whatever story you want about Mr. Trump.

          We will forever have to hear that he doesn't condemn violence.

          He does.

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #11

            Yeah, and he's never condemned white supremacists, either!

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
              #12

              Condemning violence at one point in time is only so useful if you’re going to incite it at another.

              It’s sort of the “95% peaceful” logic applied to Trump.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Condemning violence at one point in time is only so useful if you’re going to incite it at another.

                It’s sort of the “95% peaceful” logic applied to Trump.

                CopperC Offline
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                Copper
                wrote on last edited by
                #13

                @jon-nyc said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:

                Condemning violence at one point in time is only so useful

                Maybe every 5 minutes would do it.

                Or would every 10 minutes be enough?

                I think cnn would continue to say he didn't.

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                • jon-nycJ Online
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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                  #14

                  How about not incite it in the first place?

                  And if you do target someone will that kind of language, and after which your base attacks him and his family, then feel an obligation to call them off?

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    How about not incite it in the first place?

                    And if you do target someone will that kind of language, and after which your base attacks him and his family, then feel an obligation to call them off?

                    CopperC Offline
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                    Copper
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                    #15

                    @jon-nyc said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:

                    How about not incite it in the first place?

                    How about not pretending that he incites violence?

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                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #16

                      I could pretend he didn’t incite this but that wouldn’t be much help to the Raffensperger family, now would it.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • LarryL Offline
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                        Larry
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                        #17

                        The one who incited violence the most is Barack Obama. So not condemning Obama for all the violence he was directly involved in inciting while condemning Trump for something he had nothing to do with is a bit silly.

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                          jon-nyc
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                          #18

                          Larry - how did he have nothing to do with the threats against Raffensperger and his family?

                          He’s tweeted about him repeatedly and called him an “enemy of the people”.

                          But for Donald Trump none of us would even know who he is. And that includes the people threatening his family.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                          • LarryL Offline
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                            Larry
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #19

                            I don't know anything about that. I'll read up on it.

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                              Larry
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                              #20

                              Ah,.. didn't recognize the name. I don't know what Trump has said about him, but friends of mine in Georgia tell me the man is ridiculous. He suffers from that "I've made up my mind and nothing will change my opinion, not even facts" syndrome that a couple here suffer from. I'm not sure anything Trump might have said has made the hostility toward the man that many Georgians already feel toward him any worse.

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                                George K
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                                From Never-Trumper Gabriel Malor:

                                The case he cites:

                                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeRay_Mckesson

                                In July 2017, Mckesson and Black Lives Matter were sued by a Baton Rouge policeman who sustained life-altering injuries in an ambush attack, claiming that Black Lives Matter "incited the violence against police in retaliation for the death (sic) of black men shot by police".[38] The suit was dismissed in October 2017; U.S. District Judge Brian Jackson’s ruling stated that the officer "utterly failed to state a plausible claim" and instead launched a "confused attack" against Black Lives Matter and others.[39] On the same day U.S. District Judge John W. deGravelles approved a settlement awarding up to $1,000 to protesters, including Mckesson, who claim police used excessive force in arresting them.[39]

                                However on April 24, 2019 the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed Jackson's ruling, allowing the suit to go forward. The ruling stated that: "Given the intentional lawlessness of this aspect of the demonstration, Mckesson should have known that leading the demonstrators onto a busy highway was most nearly certain to provoke a confrontation between police and the mass of demonstrators, and not withstanding, did so anyway. By ignoring the foreseeable risk of violence that his actions created, Mckesson failed to exercise reasonable care in conducting his demonstration."[40] The Supreme Court, in a per curium order, vacated the Fifth Circuit's decision on November 2, 2020, ruling that that the Fifth Circuit failed to review Louisiana state law prior to determining the constitutional aspects, and remanded the case back to the Fifth Circuit for review.[41]

                                It sounds like SCOTUS vacated the case on a technicality, rather than actual case law.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  From Never-Trumper Gabriel Malor:

                                  The case he cites:

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeRay_Mckesson

                                  In July 2017, Mckesson and Black Lives Matter were sued by a Baton Rouge policeman who sustained life-altering injuries in an ambush attack, claiming that Black Lives Matter "incited the violence against police in retaliation for the death (sic) of black men shot by police".[38] The suit was dismissed in October 2017; U.S. District Judge Brian Jackson’s ruling stated that the officer "utterly failed to state a plausible claim" and instead launched a "confused attack" against Black Lives Matter and others.[39] On the same day U.S. District Judge John W. deGravelles approved a settlement awarding up to $1,000 to protesters, including Mckesson, who claim police used excessive force in arresting them.[39]

                                  However on April 24, 2019 the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed Jackson's ruling, allowing the suit to go forward. The ruling stated that: "Given the intentional lawlessness of this aspect of the demonstration, Mckesson should have known that leading the demonstrators onto a busy highway was most nearly certain to provoke a confrontation between police and the mass of demonstrators, and not withstanding, did so anyway. By ignoring the foreseeable risk of violence that his actions created, Mckesson failed to exercise reasonable care in conducting his demonstration."[40] The Supreme Court, in a per curium order, vacated the Fifth Circuit's decision on November 2, 2020, ruling that that the Fifth Circuit failed to review Louisiana state law prior to determining the constitutional aspects, and remanded the case back to the Fifth Circuit for review.[41]

                                  It sounds like SCOTUS vacated the case on a technicality, rather than actual case law.

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                                  #22

                                  @george-k I agree. While President Trump has to have some “moral” responsibility, I don’t think he is directly responsible.

                                  These people are all adults broke into the capitol and need to be taking their own responsibility.

                                  If you tell me to rob a bank, and I do, I cannot blame you for the crime.

                                  On the other side for example, if a person is driving with a passenger, and the passenger jumps out and kills someone, the driver can be charged just as reposnsible, even if they had no previous idea what was going to happen.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    @george-k I agree. While President Trump has to have some “moral” responsibility, I don’t think he is directly responsible.

                                    These people are all adults broke into the capitol and need to be taking their own responsibility.

                                    If you tell me to rob a bank, and I do, I cannot blame you for the crime.

                                    On the other side for example, if a person is driving with a passenger, and the passenger jumps out and kills someone, the driver can be charged just as reposnsible, even if they had no previous idea what was going to happen.

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                                    Aqua Letifer
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                                    #23

                                    @taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:

                                    If you tell me to rob a bank, and I do, I cannot blame you for the crime.

                                    Charlie Manson might feel differently.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      @taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:

                                      If you tell me to rob a bank, and I do, I cannot blame you for the crime.

                                      Charlie Manson might feel differently.

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                                      taiwan_girl
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                                      #24

                                      @aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!! 😱

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        @aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!! 😱

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                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        @taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:

                                        @aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!! 😱

                                        He also never killed anybody.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                          @taiwan_girl said in Death Threats Against Election Workers:

                                          @aqua-letifer ooooo. I looked up who he was. What a crazy guy!!! 😱

                                          He also never killed anybody.

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                                          taiwan_girl
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                                          @aqua-letifer True.

                                          Maybe the devout President Trump supporters are brainwashed. Maybe the way President Trump blinks his eyes hypnotizes them into doing crazy things. Lol

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