Firing Squad
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Use nitrogen.
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I’ve seen some comments from anti-death penalty types in favor of this.
Their point is, yeah, de-medicalize it and make it appear as barbaric as it really is.
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If someone commits a horrific crime ( rape, murder, etc) and the evidence leaves no room for doubt about guilt, and the death penalty is imposed, take the bastard out into an open spot, lay a gun to his head and blow his head off. 50 cents.
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They call them cons for a reason. Most of them are lying their butts off. There may be a few innocent men among them, but I bet if you sifted through 4000 of them at Angola, you might find a dozen or so, innocent men.
The death penalty should not be imposed when there is any doubt about guilt or if the crime is not heinous. I see a lot of difference between some guy beating a man to death that he caught screwing his wife (btw, that was an interesting conversation) and some guy who raped a ten year-old girl and then cut her throat in front of her parents.
There is stone cold Evil in this world. It can't be reformed and it doesn't deserve to breathe air. Prove guilt beyond doubt and surgically remove the cancer. Execute them humanely, and let justice prevail.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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But take a look at the headline in a Gannett rag locally. Nitrogen can kill you but it is not poison gas, and no one is talking about bringing back the electric chair. Yellow journalism.
"Firing squads, poison gas, electrocution: DOJ rule change gives feds execution options beyond lethal injection"
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My gut is pro death penalty but there issues of wrong person and cost and lack of clear deterrence value give me great pause.
I used to be pro, I think I’m not now but I am likely persuadable.
@Loki said in Firing Squad:
My gut is pro death penalty
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/the_new_coffee_room/viewtopic.php?p=679361#p679361
I for one am torn on the issue, but I don't want to hijack the other thread. So, indulge me and let me post the story of Hernando Williams:
wrote:Hernando Williams (c. 1955 25 March 1995) was a convicted murderer, executed by the State of Illinois.
On 29 March 1978, Williams, a young man, kidnapped Linda Goldstone from the Northwestern Medical Center parking lot in Chicago, Illinois. Goldstone, the wife of a physician and mother of a young boy, was on her way to teach a Lamaze class when Williams approached her, gun in hand. He told her it was a robbery. She gave him her money, but Williams made her partially disrobe and get into the front seat of his car. Williams held Goldstone captive for more than two days.
At the time of his kidnapping of Goldstone, Williams was out on bail for kidnapping and rape of another woman. He drove around with her in the trunk of his car for several days, even attending a court hearing in Maywood, Illinois with her in his trunk. At the hearing, the assistant state's attorney told the judge he was not ready for trial and Williams left the courtroom a relatively free man. When he returned to the court parking lot, he saw some people who appeared to be talking to the trunk of his car. He told those people to get away and left the scene with Goldstone still in the trunk. One of those who had talked to Goldstone while she was in the trunk at the Courthouse, reported the license plate number to the police. Police did not act on the tip.
Williams spent two nights in different motels with Goldstone and later admitted that he sexually assaulted her. At around 5:00 a.m. on 1 April 1978, Williams let Goldstone go, giving her $1.25 for bus fare and telling her to get on a bus and go home. Instead, she approached a home, knocked on the door, and asked for help. The door was opened by a Chicago firefighter. Goldstone told him that she needed help. The firefighter told her that he would call the police. Then he closed the door, leaving her outside.
Meanwhile, Williams had gotten nervous, doubting whether Goldstone would keep her promise and get on a bus. He circled back around the block and saw her speaking to a man inside a house. After the firefighter had closed the door, Williams got out of his car and called to Goldstone. He led her around to a back alley where he shot her twice and left her. Some hours later, Chicago Police found Williams at his parents' home, washing out the trunk of his car.
Linda Goldstone was my friend's wife.
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(also in that thread from 11 years ago...)
And, you know what's funny? I understand how you feel. And, for the most part, I agree with you. However, that night in 1995, I stayed up to make sure the b*stard was dead.
So, as I said, I'm torn. When it reaches out and touches you, your feelings get in the way, unfortunately.
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After Serial, the podcast that reinforced the true crime wave, I have no doubt that a lot of very smart people began searching desperately for wrongfully convicted people in prison, and optimally on death row. Somehow the best they could do was Making a Murderer, which was about an obviously guilty guy. As was, IMO, Serial. I don't think the scourge of wrongfully convicted people is as severe as pop culture would have us believe.
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They call them cons for a reason. Most of them are lying their butts off. There may be a few innocent men among them, but I bet if you sifted through 4000 of them at Angola, you might find a dozen or so, innocent men.
The death penalty should not be imposed when there is any doubt about guilt or if the crime is not heinous. I see a lot of difference between some guy beating a man to death that he caught screwing his wife (btw, that was an interesting conversation) and some guy who raped a ten year-old girl and then cut her throat in front of her parents.
There is stone cold Evil in this world. It can't be reformed and it doesn't deserve to breathe air. Prove guilt beyond doubt and surgically remove the cancer. Execute them humanely, and let justice prevail.
@Jolly said in Firing Squad:
They call them cons for a reason. Most of them are lying their butts off. There may be a few innocent men among them, but I bet if you sifted through 4000 of them at Angola, you might find a dozen or so, innocent men.
The death penalty should not be imposed when there is any doubt about guilt or if the crime is not heinous. I see a lot of difference between some guy beating a man to death that he caught screwing his wife (btw, that was an interesting conversation) and some guy who raped a ten year-old girl and then cut her throat in front of her parents.
There is stone cold Evil in this world. It can't be reformed and it doesn't deserve to breathe air. Prove guilt beyond doubt and surgically remove the cancer. Execute them humanely, and let justice prevail.
If they've been proven guilty of a crime deserving the death penalty, screw worrying about being humane. Make him suffer so much he welcomes death.
As for catching some guy screwing your wife and then beating the guy to death.... He's not the problem. The wife is. If he's raping her that's one thing. But if she's in that bed willingly, the problem is the wife. The guy is just doing what nature programmed him to do. The best punishment for the both of them is to just walk out and let them do it. Leave her, and leave her with nothing. Her punishment is getting stuck with a guy she soon finds out isn't worth having. He gets stuck with a woman who will cheat on him. And don't look back when you go.
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I mentioned the guy beating the other guy to death, because it was an interesting story.
I was in the administration building at Angola, talking to Pops, the trustee. I was talking to him about when he was going to get out and he told me that wasn't happening.
He'd done time for armed robbery when he was a young man. After he got out, he stayed straight a long time. Got married, had two kids, bought a truck and worked as an owner-operator. Lot of long haul stuff.
Lied on his log books one day and drove straight through to get home early. Walked in on his wife doing the nasty with some strange guy. Threw her into the closet head first and chased the guy through the house. Caught him in the front yard and beat the guy to death.
Talked about it, kinda like you'd discuss the weather. Nice guy, though...
