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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #16

    Yep.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      xenon
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      #17

      I like how we’re coming to the consensus that the President is just a small driver.

      Other things move the market. Like Americans (and sometimes global events).

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      • X xenon

        I like how we’re coming to the consensus that the President is just a small driver.

        Other things move the market. Like Americans (and sometimes global events).

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        @xenon said in 30,000:

        I like how we’re coming to the consensus that the President is just a small driver.

        Other things move the market. Like Americans (and sometimes global events).

        I don't agree.

        Fundamentals are fine, but the market doesn't always do what the fundamentals predict. Buying and selling are both subject to perception and emotion. A President can drive both.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @xenon said in 30,000:

          I like how we’re coming to the consensus that the President is just a small driver.

          Other things move the market. Like Americans (and sometimes global events).

          I don't agree.

          Fundamentals are fine, but the market doesn't always do what the fundamentals predict. Buying and selling are both subject to perception and emotion. A President can drive both.

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          xenon
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          @Jolly said in 30,000:

          @xenon said in 30,000:

          I like how we’re coming to the consensus that the President is just a small driver.

          Other things move the market. Like Americans (and sometimes global events).

          I don't agree.

          Fundamentals are fine, but the market doesn't always do what the fundamentals predict. Buying and selling are both subject to perception and emotion. A President can drive both.

          Can? Sure. Does? Not usually.

          So did Clinton and Obama drive sentiment? Pretty good stock records.

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            Memories, one of my favorite was when the market tanked a couple of years and the media went nuts blaming it on Trump.

            Also not that long ago when there was a recent dip and the media jumped on the stock market comparisons to Obama.

            Now we are back to it makes no diff. Yup.

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              Wall Street Journal

              The authors credit the presidents

              https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stock-markets-dow-update-11-24-2020-11606213552?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR3UmjJ6MiJRrow1NBlP5UgOf0ho15mWszgSBzJ7_DMyXDhp11ar3UwvSDc

              U.S. stocks surged Tuesday, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average crossing 30000 for the first time, after President Trump said his aides would cooperate with President-elect Joe Biden’s transition to the White House.

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                Wall Street Journal

                The authors credit the presidents

                https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stock-markets-dow-update-11-24-2020-11606213552?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR3UmjJ6MiJRrow1NBlP5UgOf0ho15mWszgSBzJ7_DMyXDhp11ar3UwvSDc

                U.S. stocks surged Tuesday, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average crossing 30000 for the first time, after President Trump said his aides would cooperate with President-elect Joe Biden’s transition to the White House.

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                @Copper said in 30,000:

                Wall Street Journal

                The authors credit the presidents

                https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stock-markets-dow-update-11-24-2020-11606213552?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR3UmjJ6MiJRrow1NBlP5UgOf0ho15mWszgSBzJ7_DMyXDhp11ar3UwvSDc

                U.S. stocks surged Tuesday, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average crossing 30000 for the first time, after President Trump said his aides would cooperate with President-elect Joe Biden’s transition to the White House.

                No - they said one thing happened after another.

                Determining causation in the market is a tall order.

                But sure, there’s plenty of short term fluctuations that the Pres can cause and some long term.

                I’m not saying the President has no effect. (Gosh I don’t want to start this again)

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                  @Copper said in 30,000:

                  Wall Street Journal

                  The authors credit the presidents

                  https://www.wsj.com/articles/global-stock-markets-dow-update-11-24-2020-11606213552?mod=e2fb&fbclid=IwAR3UmjJ6MiJRrow1NBlP5UgOf0ho15mWszgSBzJ7_DMyXDhp11ar3UwvSDc

                  U.S. stocks surged Tuesday, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average crossing 30000 for the first time, after President Trump said his aides would cooperate with President-elect Joe Biden’s transition to the White House.

                  No - they said one thing happened after another.

                  Determining causation in the market is a tall order.

                  But sure, there’s plenty of short term fluctuations that the Pres can cause and some long term.

                  I’m not saying the President has no effect. (Gosh I don’t want to start this again)

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                  Copper
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                  @xenon said in 30,000:

                  they said one thing happened after another.

                  You're right

                  I wonder why they would do something like that

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that the stock market doesn't like chaos. (Which might explain a favorable performance on the Biden win.)

                    Anyway, looking for something to substantiate my vague memory, I found this at Forbes: "In general, election day results versus long-term results have not correlated well — and seem to be more connected to the idea of political stability versus the actual policy stances of a candidate.

                    "Despite the fact that Republicans are generally associated with pro-market policies, Ed Clissold, Chief US Strategist for Ned Davis research explained, “The markets tend to go up whether there is a Democrat or a Republican in the White House. When adjusted for inflation, the Dow Jones Industrial Average has gained an average of 3.8% annually under Democrats since 1900, versus 1.1% under Republicans.”

                    For whatever that's worth.

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/morgansimon/2020/11/03/is-trump-or-biden-better-for-the-stock-market-heres-why-it-doesnt-matter/?sh=4d9caa0947f0

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                    @Catseye3 said in 30,000:

                    I have a vague recollection of reading somewhere that the stock market doesn't like chaos.

                    Exactly!!!! That is something that i have been saying for a long time. @Horace and I discussed this a lot on the other forum board. 🙂

                    Knowing (or at least having a somewhat good idea that things will be the same a year (2 years, 3 years, etc.) from now is most important for companies. They can adapt.

                    I use the story of having had a discussion with the head of a global Fortune 100 company (PTT), and the effect oil prices can have on their business. He told me that it was not so much the USD amount of oil, but more important was if the price would be steady and they could plan for that. Price either high or low was not as important. (Obviously had an effect but not most important factor)

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                    • X xenon

                      I like how we’re coming to the consensus that the President is just a small driver.

                      Other things move the market. Like Americans (and sometimes global events).

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                      @xenon said in 30,000:

                      I like how we’re coming to the consensus that the President is just a small driver.

                      Other things move the market. Like Americans (and sometimes global events).

                      Bernie or Warren would have been a different story. Presidents are not by definition small drivers of the market.

                      Education is extremely important.

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