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Puzzle Time - Rolling Balls

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  • KlausK Offline
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    Interesting. I remember very little physics. But the total energy of the balls must stay the same. The initial energy is something like m* g * h if I remember correctly. This gets translated into a mix of rotational energy (how fast the ball rotates) and translational energy (how fast the ball moves). So I'd say the fastest ball is the one that rotates the slowest. I presume that the shortest track - the straight line - yields the slowest rotation, hence I'd go with that one.

    My confidence: About 40%.

    We are supposed to ignore heat, rolling resistance etc., right?

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      ||Cycloidal, because that allows the fastest acceleration in the early phase of the roll.||

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        Cycloidal (guessing the initial gravity/greater acc) Are they in order, right to left?

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          Loki
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          Wrong.

          ||we can’t we enough of the graph to know||

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            ||Cycloidal. I know enough physics to work out a proof but the fact that high end skate pipes are cycloids tells me someone else already did.||

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • KlausK Klaus

              Interesting. I remember very little physics. But the total energy of the balls must stay the same. The initial energy is something like m* g * h if I remember correctly. This gets translated into a mix of rotational energy (how fast the ball rotates) and translational energy (how fast the ball moves). So I'd say the fastest ball is the one that rotates the slowest. I presume that the shortest track - the straight line - yields the slowest rotation, hence I'd go with that one.

              My confidence: About 40%.

              We are supposed to ignore heat, rolling resistance etc., right?

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              @Klaus said in Puzzle Time - Rolling Balls:

              Interesting. I remember very little physics. But the total energy of the balls must stay the same. The initial energy is something like m* g * h if I remember correctly. This gets translated into a mix of rotational energy (how fast the ball rotates) and translational energy (how fast the ball moves). So I'd say the fastest ball is the one that rotates the slowest. I presume that the shortest track - the straight line - yields the slowest rotation, hence I'd go with that one.

              My confidence: About 40%.

              We are supposed to ignore heat, rolling resistance etc., right?

              Oh, I just see that I misread the question.

              You are asking for which ball reaches the end of the slope the fastest. I believe Jon is right about that one. Isn't that a famous historical problem?

              I somehow read your post as asking for which track yields the highest terminal speed, and I still guess that the straight line has that property.

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                ||Cycloidal. I know enough physics to work out a proof but the fact that high end skate pipes are cycloids tells me someone else already did.||

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                @jon-nyc said in Puzzle Time - Rolling Balls:

                ||Cycloidal. I know enough physics to work out a proof but the fact that high end skate pipes are cycloids tells me someone else already did.||

                ||Same. Acceleration's relationship to movement vectors and time is a thing.||

                Please love yourself.

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                  This question is what defines a cycloid.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • HoraceH Horace

                    This question is what defines a cycloid.

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                    @Horace said in Puzzle Time - Rolling Balls:

                    This question is what defines a cycloid.

                    It is defined as the path shape which yields the fastest traveling time for a rolling ball.

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                      @AndyD @Axtremus @jon-nyc @Aqua-Letifer

                      Good job guys!!!

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