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For Rach Sonata 1 fans

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 22 Nov 2020, 16:56 last edited by
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    Pletnev playing it live in 2018.

    Very very subdued, not how I conceive the piece at all. But fascinating. Sublime in places that don’t get noticed in the more ‘masculine’ interpretations of, say, Berezhovsky or Weissenberg. In other parts though it almost resembles slow practice.

    Worth a listen all the same.

    Link to video

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 22 Nov 2020, 18:35 last edited by
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      A Kawai rather than a Steinway or a Yamaha, nice.

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        Klaus
        wrote on 22 Nov 2020, 18:56 last edited by
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        My reaction, two minutes in: "This isn't a fucking Mozart sonata, moron!"

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          Klaus
          wrote on 22 Nov 2020, 19:13 last edited by Klaus
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          He fucking drops a full bar in the coda! I can't believe it. One of my favorite bars in the whole piece.

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          Fourth bar in this excerpt.

          Also, most of those low acciaccatura octaves in the fff part are missing, too!

          WTF was he thinking? I want my money back.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 22 Nov 2020, 20:14 last edited by
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            And his final chord is weak AF.

            I know. Go back and watch Berezhovsky play the ending. It’ll do you some good.

            Link to video

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              Klaus
              wrote on 22 Nov 2020, 20:30 last edited by
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              I remember an occasion with Berezovsky around 12 years ago or so. I know a friend of Berezovsky very well, and he managed to get us into the practice room at Alte Oper in Frankfurt in which Berezvosky warmed up right before his concert, which happened to be Rachmaninoffs 3rd PC that evening. That poor Steinway received a quite remarkable beating. Bordering on rape. It was pretty cool to watch/listen.

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                kluurs
                wrote on 22 Nov 2020, 23:01 last edited by
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                I'm not an expert on the Rach Sonata 1 though I enjoy listening to the work. Rachmaninov is pretty durable, and I enjoy different versions of works for different reasons.

                Take the Rach 3. Two of my favorite versions might be Gavrilov/Muti and Horowitz/Rodzinski but I enjoy Barto/Eschenbach for a poetic reading and Jorge Luis Prats with Enrique Bátiz and the Mexico City Philharmonic - for an amusing and passionate version - though hardly a "definitive" performance. It was if the 26 year old Prats and Batiz decided that if you're going to do something different - why not go full out. The last part of the 3rd movement always makes me chuckle. BUT it isn't a performance that I'd say keeps to the composer's intentions. OTOH, It is fun. Pletnev is one to leave "his" mark on performances - again trying to do something different.

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                  SD Tav
                  wrote on 24 Nov 2020, 16:40 last edited by
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                  Pletnev is sleepwalking through this performance. Really strange. But, I do like a lot of his previous recordings. My favorite Rach 1 performances remain Weissenberg, Ashkenazy, Lugansky and Sergio Fiorentino. The latter performance is fiery although a little shaky in places. Understandable given the enormous technical difficulties in this piece.

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                    Doctor Phibes
                    wrote on 24 Nov 2020, 16:46 last edited by
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                    I've never really liked Rachmaninoff.

                    There. I said it.

                    I was only joking

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                      Klaus
                      wrote on 24 Nov 2020, 16:47 last edited by
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                      For a second I thought I had seen somebody write that he or she doesn't like Rachmaninoff.

                      Ridiculous, I know.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 24 Nov 2020, 16:49 last edited by
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                        Apparently, he suffered from depression for most of his life.

                        If I had to listen to it as much as he did, I would, too.

                        I was only joking

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                          Klaus
                          wrote on 26 Nov 2020, 14:29 last edited by
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                          Speaking about Berezovsky, today I discovered this live recording:

                          Link to video

                          Playing three concertos in a row is rather insane. I've never seen that elsewhere. Maybe this is supposed to be a revival of the Anton Rubinstein concert culture?

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                            26 Nov 2020, 14:29

                            Speaking about Berezovsky, today I discovered this live recording:

                            Link to video

                            Playing three concertos in a row is rather insane. I've never seen that elsewhere. Maybe this is supposed to be a revival of the Anton Rubinstein concert culture?

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                            SD Tav
                            wrote on 26 Nov 2020, 18:35 last edited by
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                            @Klaus It's nice to hear the Scriabin Piano Concerto. A rarity that deserves more performances. I liked the Prokofiev 1 concerto, especially the last few pages. Exciting. My favorite recording is the one by Andrei Gavrilov.

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                              kluurs
                              wrote on 26 Nov 2020, 22:00 last edited by
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                              I'm a fan of Berezovsky - enjoy his performance of the Beethoven concerti with he did a few years back. I had to wait years for the cycle to be completed and issued.

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