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@jon-nyc said in No Certification:
The scariest thing was watching the reactions on social media during this episode.
It’s striking how many of our fellow countrymen would happily toss out a centuries-old tradition of democracy on the slimmest of pretexts just so that Donald Trump can stay in office for four more years.
Let’s see who taught us our democracy was built by a bunch of racist white men and many of our traditions need to be thrown out or deplatformed in any manner possible?
That’s why the current scenario is plausible.
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Yet no one can produce any evidence of any substantial fraud. Just the handful of anecdotes you’d find in any election you looked at closely.
Hence my point - on the slimmest of pretexts.
Really it reduces to Trump’s base “just knows” there was massive fraud. Like he’s been telling them since well before the first vote. In fact, since he lost the last popular vote.
@jon-nyc said in No Certification:
Yet no one can produce any evidence of any substantial fraud. Just the handful of anecdotes you’d find in any election you looked at closely.
Hence my point - on the slimmest of pretexts.
Really it reduces to Trump’s base “just knows” there was massive fraud. Like he’s been telling them since well before the first vote. In fact, since he lost the last popular vote.
Sorry, Jon, it may never be proven. I think the riggers have been doing this so long and are so good at it, that enough proof may never surface.
But if I look out in a field and see a small animal, with a bandit's mask face and rings on its tail, I know it's not a deer. Now, you can provide all kinds of stats to prove that it's a deer, but I know better.
Having suffered through the last remnant of the Long machine, having known people who bought votes, having seen how voting patterns in New Orleans changed after God flushed that toilet and after having rigged one voting machine myself, I have full confidence this election was rigged in some battleground states.
Want to restore faith in elections? Do away with mail-in ballots except in rare exceptions (military, etc.), and then the ballot must be requested. All mail-in ballots must have the accompanying signed outer envelope available for audit. All signatures must match. All mail-in ballots must be received by the day before Election Day and counts must be done by noon. Early voting is allowed, but only in person with ID and verified signature. And a tamper-proof system must be designed for ballots, where all parties can witness a transparent storage and count.
You'll never get that by the Dems...
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@Jolly said in No Certification:
When you masturbate, do you dream of Trump?
As somebody said, Donald Trump is only man who fantasizes that he's jacking off when he's actually banging a supermodel.
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Jolly you confirmed my point. You just know. And you straight up admit this “knowledge” of yours in not falsifiable.
You bring up events from half a century ago. But you didn’t ‘just know’ the election was stolen in 2016. Or even in 2008.
But then the Republican base wasn’t primed to ‘just know’ until Trump did it this summer.
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Jolly you confirmed my point. You just know. And you straight up admit this “knowledge” of yours in not falsifiable.
You bring up events from half a century ago. But you didn’t ‘just know’ the election was stolen in 2016. Or even in 2008.
But then the Republican base wasn’t primed to ‘just know’ until Trump did it this summer.
@jon-nyc said in No Certification:
Jolly you confirmed my point. You just know. And you straight up admit this “knowledge” of yours in not falsifiable.
You bring up events from half a century ago. But you didn’t ‘just know’ the election was stolen in 2016. Or even in 2008.
But then the Republican base wasn’t primed to ‘just know’ until Trump did it this summer.
Good, you've got a point. Maybe it's a good point, but pardon me if I discount it.
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This is the kind of argument that was used to lock up Galileo. We all know the world is the center of the universe because it's obvious, even without any data to prove it.
Hopefully Trump's beliebers will be quicker to acknowledge their error than the RC church.
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This is the kind of argument that was used to lock up Galileo. We all know the world is the center of the universe because it's obvious, even without any data to prove it.
Hopefully Trump's beliebers will be quicker to acknowledge their error than the RC church.
@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
We all know the world is the center of the universe because it's obvious, even without any data to prove it.
RUSSIA!!!
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@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
We all know the world is the center of the universe because it's obvious, even without any data to prove it.
RUSSIA!!!
@George-K said in No Certification:
@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
We all know the world is the center of the universe because it's obvious, even without any data to prove it.
RUSSIA!!!
I always thought the Dems were stupid going after that. Certainly when Mueller hadn't turned up anything after the first month.
Sadly, two fucking dumbasses don't make a stable genius, however hard we might close our eyes and clap our hands and say I DO BELIEVE IN DONALD, I DO BELIEVE IN DONALD.
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@George-K said in No Certification:
@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
We all know the world is the center of the universe because it's obvious, even without any data to prove it.
RUSSIA!!!
I always thought the Dems were stupid going after that. Certainly when Mueller hadn't turned up anything after the first month.
Sadly, two fucking dumbasses don't make a stable genius, however hard we might close our eyes and clap our hands and say I DO BELIEVE IN DONALD, I DO BELIEVE IN DONALD.
@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
I always thought the Dems were stupid going after that.
DIEBOLD!!!!
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I have no idea what that means - presumably another example of you chaps not being ready to self-govern?
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I have no idea what that means - presumably another example of you chaps not being ready to self-govern?
@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
have no idea what that means - presumably another example of you chaps not being ready to self-govern?
The Bush win was enabled by hacked Diebold voting machines.
But....
KAVANAUGH IS A RAPIST!
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@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
have no idea what that means - presumably another example of you chaps not being ready to self-govern?
The Bush win was enabled by hacked Diebold voting machines.
But....
KAVANAUGH IS A RAPIST!
@George-K said in No Certification:
@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
have no idea what that means - presumably another example of you chaps not being ready to self-govern?
The Bush win was enabled by hacked Diebold voting machines.
But....
KAVANAUGH IS A RAPIST!
And therein lies the problem. The other side jumped the shark so many times yet have no clue that there is no credibility left...oh those are the so called “science” people. LOL
Too clever by half.
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@George-K said in No Certification:
@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
have no idea what that means - presumably another example of you chaps not being ready to self-govern?
The Bush win was enabled by hacked Diebold voting machines.
But....
KAVANAUGH IS A RAPIST!
And therein lies the problem. The other side jumped the shark so many times yet have no clue that there is no credibility left...oh those are the so called “science” people. LOL
Too clever by half.
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...and we've gone from mouth-frothing outrage over 'Not my President" to the same people saying "Not the President".
So there's plenty of stupid.
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...and we've gone from mouth-frothing outrage over 'Not my President" to the same people saying "Not the President".
So there's plenty of stupid.
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I'm not defending any of that stupid shit.
Sadly, quite a few people here are defending this stupid shit.
And, it has to be said, the Leader of the Free World is creating the stupid shit.
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I'm not defending any of that stupid shit.
Sadly, quite a few people here are defending this stupid shit.
And, it has to be said, the Leader of the Free World is creating the stupid shit.
@Doctor-Phibes said in No Certification:
Sadly, quite a few people here are defending this stupid shit.
Trump: I think Democrats cheated.
Media: THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED.And there you go.
We've listened to this shit for
fourtwenty years.And now, just now, people are outraged?
GMAFB. This is what we've been dealing with for the last two decades, and only now people are outraged?
Could it be because (hang onto your seat) it's politically expedient?
(Insert "Smell flowers/funeral" quote here:_____________)
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There was a fair amount of it prior to 2000 if memory serves. I know that legally Bill Clinton wasn't impeached for cheating on his wife and lying about it, but basically he was impeached for cheating on his wife and lying about it.
What a fucking waste of time and money that was.
