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  • J Jolly
    14 Nov 2020, 18:58

    @Doctor-Phibes said in He's right.:

    That's what I said 2 hours ago. Do try and keep up, grandad.

    I was actually replying to Jolly, who brought up Great Britain.

    There's a reason...In that system, a small faction of votes can be bartered for political gain. In the U.S. system, that is much, much more difficult.

    There is a reason the two major parties have a Majority Whip and a Minority Whip in Congress, and it has nothing to do with Cat's handcuffs and ball gag.

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    Doctor Phibes
    wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 19:10 last edited by
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    @Jolly said in He's right.:

    There is a reason the two major parties have a Majority Whip and a Minority Whip in Congress, and it has nothing to do with Cat's handcuffs and ball gag.

    The two major parties in Britain have Whips in parliament, too.

    It's pretty much a 2-party system in the UK too, despite what Nigel Farage might want to have us believe.

    I was only joking

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    • J Jolly
      14 Nov 2020, 19:02

      @Larry said in He's right.:

      But the Welsh..... nah...

      Hey, they can sing!

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      Larry
      wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 19:10 last edited by
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      @Jolly said in He's right.:

      @Larry said in He's right.:

      But the Welsh..... nah...

      Hey, they can sing!

      Ya -a - a - a - a - !.........

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      • J Jolly
        14 Nov 2020, 18:58

        @Doctor-Phibes said in He's right.:

        That's what I said 2 hours ago. Do try and keep up, grandad.

        I was actually replying to Jolly, who brought up Great Britain.

        There's a reason...In that system, a small faction of votes can be bartered for political gain. In the U.S. system, that is much, much more difficult.

        There is a reason the two major parties have a Majority Whip and a Minority Whip in Congress, and it has nothing to do with Cat's handcuffs and ball gag.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 20:07 last edited by
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        @Jolly said in He's right.:

        There's a reason...In that system, a small faction of votes can be bartered for political gain.

        I am curious as to how you arrive at that observation about the British system. Can provide a specific example or two?

        Elbows up!

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          xenon
          wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 20:30 last edited by xenon
          #23

          The US seems like it was designed, or at least started, as a non-party system (Washington’s two terms had no parties).

          The CSA had no parties during its 4 years of existence either.

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            Loki
            wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 20:45 last edited by Loki
            #24

            Seems like the Lincoln Project feels boxed in with no place to go.

            Sorry not every start up works out. Now Fvck off and stop trying to take down others with you.

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            • L Loki
              14 Nov 2020, 20:45

              Seems like the Lincoln Project feels boxed in with no place to go.

              Sorry not every start up works out. Now Fvck off and stop trying to take down others with you.

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              xenon
              wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 20:55 last edited by xenon
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              @Loki the people involved in the Lincoln project are political operatives.

              To the extent that their influence campaign seems to have had an effect - the individuals will be just fine.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 21:55 last edited by jon-nyc
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                Like most political operatives, high level ones anyway, they had interests in the media buying and production companies they used for their ads. So they got paid while working for a worthy cause.

                Everybody wins. Well, except Trump. lol

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • J jon-nyc
                  14 Nov 2020, 21:55

                  Like most political operatives, high level ones anyway, they had interests in the media buying and production companies they used for their ads. So they got paid while working for a worthy cause.

                  Everybody wins. Well, except Trump. lol

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 14 Nov 2020, 22:57 last edited by
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                  @jon-nyc said in He's right.:

                  Like most political operatives, high level ones anyway, they had interests in the media buying and production companies they used for their ads. So they got paid while working for a worthy cause.

                  Everybody wins. Well, except Trump. lol

                  The problem is, they are now radioactive.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • J Jolly
                    14 Nov 2020, 18:23

                    @taiwan_girl said in He's right.:

                    @Jolly said in He's right.:

                    but it is treasonous to your party to start up crap like the Lincoln Project

                    No it’s not. As you have said, party philosophy changes.

                    What is considered Republic/Democrat today is different from Republic/Democrat from 20-40 years ago.

                    Nothing wrong with wanting change.

                    Do you simply do not understand politics? Or party discipline? If the party becomes nothing but a herd of cats, nothing can be accomplished. And if you aren't in power, you accomplish much less than if you are.

                    This is not Great Britain. There are no wild-ass factions that can carve out their own little 5% and be effective.

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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 02:07 last edited by
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                    @Jolly said in He's right.:

                    @taiwan_girl said in He's right.:

                    @Jolly said in He's right.:

                    but it is treasonous to your party to start up crap like the Lincoln Project

                    No it’s not. As you have said, party philosophy changes.

                    What is considered Republic/Democrat today is different from Republic/Democrat from 20-40 years ago.

                    Nothing wrong with wanting change.

                    Do you simply do not understand politics? Or party discipline? If the party becomes nothing but a herd of cats, nothing can be accomplished. And if you aren't in power, you accomplish much less than if you are.

                    This is not Great Britain. There are no wild-ass factions that can carve out their own little 5% and be effective.

                    Jolly,what I was thinking of was that the republican party of five years ago is probably different than the republican party of today.

                    Was President Trump responsible for that? Probably yes. Was he treasonous for trying to change the party? No, I don’t think so

                    There are current people within the Republican Party who don’t like the change. So they are going to change, or want to change what it has become. That is all

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                    • T taiwan_girl
                      15 Nov 2020, 02:07

                      @Jolly said in He's right.:

                      @taiwan_girl said in He's right.:

                      @Jolly said in He's right.:

                      but it is treasonous to your party to start up crap like the Lincoln Project

                      No it’s not. As you have said, party philosophy changes.

                      What is considered Republic/Democrat today is different from Republic/Democrat from 20-40 years ago.

                      Nothing wrong with wanting change.

                      Do you simply do not understand politics? Or party discipline? If the party becomes nothing but a herd of cats, nothing can be accomplished. And if you aren't in power, you accomplish much less than if you are.

                      This is not Great Britain. There are no wild-ass factions that can carve out their own little 5% and be effective.

                      Jolly,what I was thinking of was that the republican party of five years ago is probably different than the republican party of today.

                      Was President Trump responsible for that? Probably yes. Was he treasonous for trying to change the party? No, I don’t think so

                      There are current people within the Republican Party who don’t like the change. So they are going to change, or want to change what it has become. That is all

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 15 Nov 2020, 02:12 last edited by
                      #29

                      @taiwan_girl said in He's right.:

                      ... the republican party of five years ago is probably different than the republican party of today.

                      Was President Trump responsible for that? Probably yes.

                      Yes, and yes.
                      This is a nice illustration for both:

                      Link to video

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