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  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

    @Larry said in John Kelly’s statement on transitioning:

    I disagree with it.

    Why is that?

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    Larry
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    @taiwan_girl said in John Kelly’s statement on transitioning:

    @Larry said in John Kelly’s statement on transitioning:

    I disagree with it.

    Why is that?

    I already told you part of it. But to go further, there's plenty of time for it, and other transitions have started much later than this.

    So I'll ask you - why are you pushing for a transition to begin when he hasn't even been declared the winner yet?

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    • LarryL Larry

      @taiwan_girl said in John Kelly’s statement on transitioning:

      @Larry said in John Kelly’s statement on transitioning:

      I disagree with it.

      Why is that?

      I already told you part of it. But to go further, there's plenty of time for it, and other transitions have started much later than this.

      So I'll ask you - why are you pushing for a transition to begin when he hasn't even been declared the winner yet?

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      taiwan_girl
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      @Larry said in John Kelly’s statement on transitioning:

      So I'll ask you - why are you pushing for a transition to begin when he hasn't even been declared the winner yet?

      Because the US and its place in internal and external things is extremely extremely complicated. Changing out the entire management team is not something that can be done in a week or a day, or probably not even in three months.

      Starting the transition even now it’s still going to leave some “gaps”.

      You are correct the president elect Biden has not officially been declared the winner. But it would be nave to think that it is not probable that he will be. Delaying the transition can only lead to problems. This is not a Democrat/republic issue, but an issue more for the total US.

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        Well, let me correct you on a few points. First, there has never been a case where the transition has taken place before a winner was officially declared. Second, the date for officially recognizing a president elect is the same this election as it has always been, the transition has never started before that unless the win was decisive, and we have always managed to have a smooth transiti9n.

        No, the reason people are pushing to begin the transition now has nothing at all to do with the things you said. The reason there's such a push to start now is for psychological and politicak reasons. And you have fallen for it because of your own bias.

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          306 for Biden versus Trumps losing with only 232

          And about 7.8 billion people round the world declare 306 to be a decisively winning score.

          But what the heck, let's line the two sides up for a tug of war.

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            When I read the headline I expected an article where John Kelly presents his new pronouns.

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              Lol.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • MikM Away
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                No, the transition should be taking place regardless of outcome. To do otherwise is unconscionable.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  No, the transition should be taking place regardless of outcome. To do otherwise is unconscionable.

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                  Catseye3
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                  @Mik said in John Kelly’s statement on transitioning:

                  No, the transition should be taking place regardless of outcome. To do otherwise is unconscionable.

                  Seems a little drama queeny. And a little premature for such a diatribe. Americans are roiled up enough (not that it takes much) without adding fuel to the flames.

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    Trump has not conceded. Biden will get what he needs after the election is certified, which will be in a few weeks. If he is the President-elect, of course.

                    It's not like Biden has never seen an intelligence brief or knows how the ststem works. Heck, he has swamp critters clamoring for jobs, so it's not like he needs to clue in a lot if people unfamiliar to Washington.

                    Kelly can go get fucked. The horse he ride in on, can go get fucked. If Biden doesn't like it he can go get fucked. And if Harris doesn't like it...well, she's already been well fucked.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      I remember when democrats made fun of republicans by calling them all neocons. "Neocon" was a dirty word, and to call someone a neocon was one of the worst mud slings one could make.

                      Now democrats are embracing neocons. Why? Because neocons want multiple perpetual wars, and Trump wants NO wars. So they crawl in bed with neocons because they share their hatred of Trump. It's really quite amusing.

                      You see, John Kelly is a neocon. Most of the higher ups in the Pentagon are neocons. They all hate Trump because he gets in the way of their war machine. But the troops... The men and women who end up doing the actual fighting .... they are solidly.... SOLIDLY... behind Trump.

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                        Loki
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                        A former general using the word catastrophic. Doesn’t the tell you all you need to know?

                        I mean seriously he would have been bitch slapped for saying that when he was a somebody.

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                          Solidly behind trump?

                          https://www.businessinsider.com/military-veteran-vote-joe-biden-trump-lawsuit-2020-11

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                            Larry
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                            That's utter bull shit.

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                              https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-gsa-joe-biden-transition-20201123-fqs77zryxzac5lysm2wscrmpiy-story.html

                              GSA ascertains Joe Biden is winner of the election, clears way for the transition from Trump administration to formally begin

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                                jon-nyc
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                                I like WaPo’s headline:

                                “Trump Administration informs Biden it is ready to begin formal transition.”

                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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