Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched
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A week after the 2020 presidential election, one thing is obvious about the United States of America: It is deeply divided.
With 148 million votes counted, President Donald Trump trailed former Vice President Joe Biden by about 4.7 million votes.
But, according to the exit polls, there were some demographic groups that did pick Trump over Biden.
Who were they?
For starters, according to the network exit poll published by ABC News, there was the divide between people who worked full time and those who did not.
The exit poll asked the question: "Do you work full-time for pay?"
Voters who said no went for Biden over Trump by 57% to 42%. By contrast, voters who said they did work full time picked Trump over Biden 51% to 47%.
Why do people who don't work full time prefer Biden? Why do those who do prefer Trump?
Is it a good sign for the long-term well-being of the United States that the popular-vote winner in our presidential election was preferred by those who do not work full time and not by those who do?
Then there was the divide between married and unmarried people. The exit poll asked voters: "Are you currently married?"
People who said they are not "currently" married voted overwhelmingly for Biden. He won 58% of their vote, while Trump won only 40%. Meanwhile, Trump won 53% of married voters, while Biden won only 46%.
It did not matter whether the married person was a male or female. A majority of both husbands and wives voted for Trump over Biden. Trump beat Biden 55% to 44% among married men and 51% to 47% among married women.
Why did the majority of married voters -- both male and female -- not want Biden to be president?
Then there was the massive gap between those who practice a religion and those who do not.
The Associated Press VoteCast survey interviewed about 140,000 voters on Election Day and the days leading up to it. It asked "how often ... if at all" a person attends church or religious services. The result: The more often a voter attends church or religious services, the more likely they were to vote for Trump.
In fact, Biden only won majorities among voters who said they rarely or never attend church or religious services.
Among voters who attend church or religious services once a week or more, Trump won 61% to 37%. Among those who attend a few times a month, Trump won 54% to 45%. Among those who attend about once a month, Trump also won 54% to 45%.
Among voters who only attend church or religious services a "few times a year or less," Biden won 52% to 47%.
Among voters who said they "never" go to church, Biden beat Trump 63% to 35%.
Based on these polls -- and looked at purely from a political perspective -- there are certain cultural trends in the United States that would be good for Republicans and bad for Democrats (and vice versa).
If more people decided to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans. If more people decided not to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Republicans -- and good for Democrats.
If more people got married and stayed married, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans.
If more people started going to church or religious services, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans.
Indeed, in a nation where every voter went to church or attended a religious service at least once every four weeks, Trump would have won. Such an America would have been too religious for Biden to carry.
Another key factor in American presidential politics is the age of the electorate. According to the network exit poll, voters between 18 and 44 years of age voted for Biden over Trump by 56% to 42%. Voters 45 and older voted for Trump over Biden by 51% to 48%.
The ideal electorate from the Democratic political point of view would be dominated by unmarried people in their twenties and thirties who do not work full time and never go to church.
From the Republican point of view, it would be dominated by people who had experienced at least another 20 years in life, gotten married, found a permanent job and joined a church that they regularly attend.
Which electorate do you think would do a better job of keeping this country prosperous and free?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Basically, he's saying that most people who voted for Biden are contemptible.
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Basically, he's saying that most people who voted for Biden are contemptible.
@Doctor-Phibes said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
Basically, he's saying that most people who voted for Biden are contemptible.
Remember how well that argument worked for Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney?
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
Basically, he's saying that most people who voted for Biden are contemptible.
Remember how well that argument worked for Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
Remember how well that argument worked for Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney?
Chump...
Hillary called them "a basket of deplorables." Romney said that 47% of the population would never vote for him, ever.
I see a bit of a difference in the comments, unless you're referring to a different Romney comment.
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I work part-time. This guy can fuck himself (and probably has to resort to that with regularity).
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
Remember how well that argument worked for Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney?
Chump...
Hillary called them "a basket of deplorables." Romney said that 47% of the population would never vote for him, ever.
I see a bit of a difference in the comments, unless you're referring to a different Romney comment.
@George-K said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
Remember how well that argument worked for Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney?
Chump...
Hillary called them "a basket of deplorables." Romney said that 47% of the population would never vote for him, ever.
I see a bit of a difference in the comments, unless you're referring to a different Romney comment.
The point is that denigrating large numbers of voters has not been shown to be particularly effective.
And I'm with Aqua. That guy can go fuck himself. The reasons for people needing to work part-time, or having failed marriages, or not going to church, or whatever other thing that may happen, are many and varied.,
I was only joking
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THe arthur has a good way of drawing conclusions from very minimal set of data.
"If more people decided to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans. If more people decided not to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Republicans -- and good for Democrats."
It would be interesting to see avg income of President Trump voter vs. President elect Biden voter.
It probably would be pretty close. President elect Biden (I think) seems to get the voters on the ends - poor and rich, and President Trump seems to get more from the middle.
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I’ll remind everybody that the majority of votes were mail in and didn’t participate in exit polls...
The Brad
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THe arthur has a good way of drawing conclusions from very minimal set of data.
"If more people decided to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans. If more people decided not to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Republicans -- and good for Democrats."
It would be interesting to see avg income of President Trump voter vs. President elect Biden voter.
It probably would be pretty close. President elect Biden (I think) seems to get the voters on the ends - poor and rich, and President Trump seems to get more from the middle.
@taiwan_girl said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
It would be interesting to see avg income of President Trump voter vs. President elect Biden voter.
It probably would be pretty close. President elect Biden (I think) seems to get the voters on the ends - poor and rich, and President Trump seems to get more from the middle.I'd be more interested in seeing the distributions.
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A week after the 2020 presidential election, one thing is obvious about the United States of America: It is deeply divided.
With 148 million votes counted, President Donald Trump trailed former Vice President Joe Biden by about 4.7 million votes.
But, according to the exit polls, there were some demographic groups that did pick Trump over Biden.
Who were they?
For starters, according to the network exit poll published by ABC News, there was the divide between people who worked full time and those who did not.
The exit poll asked the question: "Do you work full-time for pay?"
Voters who said no went for Biden over Trump by 57% to 42%. By contrast, voters who said they did work full time picked Trump over Biden 51% to 47%.
Why do people who don't work full time prefer Biden? Why do those who do prefer Trump?
Is it a good sign for the long-term well-being of the United States that the popular-vote winner in our presidential election was preferred by those who do not work full time and not by those who do?
Then there was the divide between married and unmarried people. The exit poll asked voters: "Are you currently married?"
People who said they are not "currently" married voted overwhelmingly for Biden. He won 58% of their vote, while Trump won only 40%. Meanwhile, Trump won 53% of married voters, while Biden won only 46%.
It did not matter whether the married person was a male or female. A majority of both husbands and wives voted for Trump over Biden. Trump beat Biden 55% to 44% among married men and 51% to 47% among married women.
Why did the majority of married voters -- both male and female -- not want Biden to be president?
Then there was the massive gap between those who practice a religion and those who do not.
The Associated Press VoteCast survey interviewed about 140,000 voters on Election Day and the days leading up to it. It asked "how often ... if at all" a person attends church or religious services. The result: The more often a voter attends church or religious services, the more likely they were to vote for Trump.
In fact, Biden only won majorities among voters who said they rarely or never attend church or religious services.
Among voters who attend church or religious services once a week or more, Trump won 61% to 37%. Among those who attend a few times a month, Trump won 54% to 45%. Among those who attend about once a month, Trump also won 54% to 45%.
Among voters who only attend church or religious services a "few times a year or less," Biden won 52% to 47%.
Among voters who said they "never" go to church, Biden beat Trump 63% to 35%.
Based on these polls -- and looked at purely from a political perspective -- there are certain cultural trends in the United States that would be good for Republicans and bad for Democrats (and vice versa).
If more people decided to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans. If more people decided not to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Republicans -- and good for Democrats.
If more people got married and stayed married, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans.
If more people started going to church or religious services, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans.
Indeed, in a nation where every voter went to church or attended a religious service at least once every four weeks, Trump would have won. Such an America would have been too religious for Biden to carry.
Another key factor in American presidential politics is the age of the electorate. According to the network exit poll, voters between 18 and 44 years of age voted for Biden over Trump by 56% to 42%. Voters 45 and older voted for Trump over Biden by 51% to 48%.
The ideal electorate from the Democratic political point of view would be dominated by unmarried people in their twenties and thirties who do not work full time and never go to church.
From the Republican point of view, it would be dominated by people who had experienced at least another 20 years in life, gotten married, found a permanent job and joined a church that they regularly attend.
Which electorate do you think would do a better job of keeping this country prosperous and free?
@Jolly said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
Which electorate do you think would do a better job of keeping this country prosperous and free?
The ones who aren't all going be dead soon?
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@George-K said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
Remember how well that argument worked for Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney?
Chump...
Hillary called them "a basket of deplorables." Romney said that 47% of the population would never vote for him, ever.
I see a bit of a difference in the comments, unless you're referring to a different Romney comment.
The point is that denigrating large numbers of voters has not been shown to be particularly effective.
And I'm with Aqua. That guy can go fuck himself. The reasons for people needing to work part-time, or having failed marriages, or not going to church, or whatever other thing that may happen, are many and varied.,
@Doctor-Phibes said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
The reasons for people needing to work part-time, or having failed marriages, or not going to church, or whatever other thing that may happen, are many and varied.,
How many child abuse cases has the church tried to cover up? Of those cases, how many of those folks do you think found it easy to start a stable relationship or actually step foot in a church again? What do we say to that, "fuck them I guess, they're not the ones keeping this country prosperous and free"?
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A week after the 2020 presidential election, one thing is obvious about the United States of America: It is deeply divided.
With 148 million votes counted, President Donald Trump trailed former Vice President Joe Biden by about 4.7 million votes.
But, according to the exit polls, there were some demographic groups that did pick Trump over Biden.
Who were they?
For starters, according to the network exit poll published by ABC News, there was the divide between people who worked full time and those who did not.
The exit poll asked the question: "Do you work full-time for pay?"
Voters who said no went for Biden over Trump by 57% to 42%. By contrast, voters who said they did work full time picked Trump over Biden 51% to 47%.
Why do people who don't work full time prefer Biden? Why do those who do prefer Trump?
Is it a good sign for the long-term well-being of the United States that the popular-vote winner in our presidential election was preferred by those who do not work full time and not by those who do?
Then there was the divide between married and unmarried people. The exit poll asked voters: "Are you currently married?"
People who said they are not "currently" married voted overwhelmingly for Biden. He won 58% of their vote, while Trump won only 40%. Meanwhile, Trump won 53% of married voters, while Biden won only 46%.
It did not matter whether the married person was a male or female. A majority of both husbands and wives voted for Trump over Biden. Trump beat Biden 55% to 44% among married men and 51% to 47% among married women.
Why did the majority of married voters -- both male and female -- not want Biden to be president?
Then there was the massive gap between those who practice a religion and those who do not.
The Associated Press VoteCast survey interviewed about 140,000 voters on Election Day and the days leading up to it. It asked "how often ... if at all" a person attends church or religious services. The result: The more often a voter attends church or religious services, the more likely they were to vote for Trump.
In fact, Biden only won majorities among voters who said they rarely or never attend church or religious services.
Among voters who attend church or religious services once a week or more, Trump won 61% to 37%. Among those who attend a few times a month, Trump won 54% to 45%. Among those who attend about once a month, Trump also won 54% to 45%.
Among voters who only attend church or religious services a "few times a year or less," Biden won 52% to 47%.
Among voters who said they "never" go to church, Biden beat Trump 63% to 35%.
Based on these polls -- and looked at purely from a political perspective -- there are certain cultural trends in the United States that would be good for Republicans and bad for Democrats (and vice versa).
If more people decided to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans. If more people decided not to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Republicans -- and good for Democrats.
If more people got married and stayed married, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans.
If more people started going to church or religious services, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans.
Indeed, in a nation where every voter went to church or attended a religious service at least once every four weeks, Trump would have won. Such an America would have been too religious for Biden to carry.
Another key factor in American presidential politics is the age of the electorate. According to the network exit poll, voters between 18 and 44 years of age voted for Biden over Trump by 56% to 42%. Voters 45 and older voted for Trump over Biden by 51% to 48%.
The ideal electorate from the Democratic political point of view would be dominated by unmarried people in their twenties and thirties who do not work full time and never go to church.
From the Republican point of view, it would be dominated by people who had experienced at least another 20 years in life, gotten married, found a permanent job and joined a church that they regularly attend.
Which electorate do you think would do a better job of keeping this country prosperous and free?
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Ah, the article hit a nerve. Good.
Regardless of the author's conclusions, what does the data say?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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I’ll remind everybody that the majority of votes were mail in and didn’t participate in exit polls...
@LuFins-Dad said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
I’ll remind everybody that the majority of votes were mail in and didn’t participate in exit polls...
Hard to participate in exit polls when you've been dead for over a year...
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THe arthur has a good way of drawing conclusions from very minimal set of data.
"If more people decided to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Democrats -- and good for Republicans. If more people decided not to work full time to earn a living, that would be bad for Republicans -- and good for Democrats."
It would be interesting to see avg income of President Trump voter vs. President elect Biden voter.
It probably would be pretty close. President elect Biden (I think) seems to get the voters on the ends - poor and rich, and President Trump seems to get more from the middle.
@taiwan_girl said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
THe arthur has a good way of drawing conclusions from very minimal set of data.
You should certainly know about that one! Lol
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Ah, the article hit a nerve. Good.
Regardless of the author's conclusions, what does the data say?
@Jolly said in Unmarried, underemployed and unchurched:
Ah, the article hit a nerve. Good.
Regardless of the author's conclusions, what does the data say?
Basically, old people tend to be more conservative. Big surprise.
I was only joking
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It means nothing. All it means is that of the people that voted on Election Day, which is a vast minority of voters this year.
