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Esper fired.

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #3

    Changes to SecDef at this juncture is an ill omen.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by Jolly
      #4

      Don't forget, the military is tasked with vaccine distribution...

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • AxtremusA Offline
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        Axtremus
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        #5

        Looking forward to learning what Trump's rationale is to replace the Secretary of Defense.

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          xenon
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          #6

          Just a quick couple of articles I read here. Trump developed a dislike for him over the summer - because Esper was much more reluctant than Trump to use troops to quell riots.

          Esper also wants Confederate names off bases.

          Some articles seem to suggest that Esper is getting sensitive that people call him "Yesper" - so he's goading Trump a bit into firing him (by pushing the base rename issue).

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          • George KG George K

            Watch him fire Barr next, LOL.

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            kluurs
            wrote on last edited by
            #7

            Esper has been on shaky ground with the White House for months, a rift that deepened after the defense secretary said in June that he did not support using active-duty troops to quell the large-scale protests. Esper also said military forces should be used in a law enforcement role only as a last resort.

            His remarks from the Pentagon briefing room were seen by many as an effort to distance himself from Trump's threats to deploy the military to enforce order on American city streets.

            Trump lambasted the leadership of the Pentagon in September, accusing the military's leadership of seeking to fight wars in order to boost the profits of defense contractors.

            The President's accusations drew the ire of Esper, who called White House chief of staff Mark Meadows to complain, according to defense officials. Meadows soon afterward appeared on television and attempted to walk back Trump's comments, saying his broadside against the Pentagon's leaders had not been directed at anyone in particular.

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
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              #8

              The sort of plausible "worst case" I can imagine would be Trump wants to inject the military into the electoral process (e.g., get the military to do or monitor the recounts or get the military to guard the various election offices or where the recounts are being done), and Esper rejected that sort of ideas outright.

              Anyway, will wait to learn the rationale before passing judgment.

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                jon-nyc
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                #9

                Petulant toddlers gonna toddle petulantly.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  The sort of plausible "worst case" I can imagine would be Trump wants to inject the military into the electoral process (e.g., get the military to do or monitor the recounts or get the military to guard the various election offices or where the recounts are being done), and Esper rejected that sort of ideas outright.

                  Anyway, will wait to learn the rationale before passing judgment.

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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #10

                  @Axtremus said in Esper fired.:

                  "worst case" I can imagine

                  That is how history will remember him.

                  The president who inspired haters to imagine the worst

                  And then start believing it

                  Imagine

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                  • CopperC Copper

                    @Axtremus said in Esper fired.:

                    "worst case" I can imagine

                    That is how history will remember him.

                    The president who inspired haters to imagine the worst

                    And then start believing it

                    Imagine

                    AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #11

                    @Copper said in Esper fired.:

                    @Axtremus said in Esper fired.:

                    "worst case" I can imagine

                    That is how history will remember him.

                    The president who inspired haters to imagine the worst

                    And then start believing it

                    Imagine

                    You missed a very important word, "plausible", when quoting me.
                    I wrote 'plausible "worst case" I can imagine".'

                    While recognizing that as a possibility, I have not "believe" that that is what happened yet, hence the parts you do not quote about waiting to learn what Trump's rationale is before passing judgement.

                    There are some even worse cases that I can imagine that are not "plausible" in my estimation, such as space aliens having put Trump under mind control.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      @Copper said in Esper fired.:

                      @Axtremus said in Esper fired.:

                      "worst case" I can imagine

                      That is how history will remember him.

                      The president who inspired haters to imagine the worst

                      And then start believing it

                      Imagine

                      You missed a very important word, "plausible", when quoting me.
                      I wrote 'plausible "worst case" I can imagine".'

                      While recognizing that as a possibility, I have not "believe" that that is what happened yet, hence the parts you do not quote about waiting to learn what Trump's rationale is before passing judgement.

                      There are some even worse cases that I can imagine that are not "plausible" in my estimation, such as space aliens having put Trump under mind control.

                      KlausK Offline
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                      Klaus
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #12

                      @Axtremus said in Esper fired.:

                      such as space aliens having put Trump under mind control.

                      That said, that hypothesis has a lot of explanatory power 🙂

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @Copper said in Esper fired.:

                        @Axtremus said in Esper fired.:

                        "worst case" I can imagine

                        That is how history will remember him.

                        The president who inspired haters to imagine the worst

                        And then start believing it

                        Imagine

                        You missed a very important word, "plausible", when quoting me.
                        I wrote 'plausible "worst case" I can imagine".'

                        While recognizing that as a possibility, I have not "believe" that that is what happened yet, hence the parts you do not quote about waiting to learn what Trump's rationale is before passing judgement.

                        There are some even worse cases that I can imagine that are not "plausible" in my estimation, such as space aliens having put Trump under mind control.

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                        Copper
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #13

                        @Axtremus said in Esper fired.:

                        @Copper said in Esper fired.:

                        @Axtremus said in Esper fired.:

                        "worst case" I can imagine

                        That is how history will remember him.

                        The president who inspired haters to imagine the worst

                        And then start believing it

                        Imagine

                        You missed a very important word, "plausible", when quoting me.
                        I wrote 'plausible "worst case" I can imagine".'

                        While recognizing that as a possibility, I have not "believe" that that is what happened yet, hence the parts you do not quote about waiting to learn what Trump's rationale is before passing judgement.

                        There are some even worse cases that I can imagine that are not "plausible" in my estimation, such as space aliens having put Trump under mind control.

                        Imagine

                        One word is enough

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #14

                          https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/16/trump-troop-reductions-afghanistan-iraq-436799

                          Maybe it has to do with troop drawdowns from Iraq and Afghanistan?

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