Trump lawsuits
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Jolly always has good solutions.
Too bad he has no power to implement them.
But, sounds good, if only to imagine that congress tried to implement even one of Jolly's solutions.
I guess there's that swamp thing always in the way, and big money, and power and ambition. Did I mention big money? I think so, because if Big Money was not involved, Jolly's solutions would resonate because Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
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@Rainman said in Trump lawsuits:
Jolly always has good solutions.
@Jolly's proposed solutions are un-Constitutional and un-American.
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@Axtremus said in Trump lawsuits:
@Rainman said in Trump lawsuits:
Jolly always has good solutions.
@Jolly's proposed solutions are un-Constitutional and un-American.
Losing one election and already @Jolly wants to repeal the First Amendment and foist Big Government on social media.Would somebody tell this porn-loving, beer-swilling, sorry-ass excuse for a piano player, about my positions on voting, that have remained constant for over twenty years?
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Current status of President Trump lawsuits (per NPR)
Pennsylvania: Extended deadlines, observers
Philadelphia may be the central location in President Trump's quest to prove the 2020 election was stolen from him.
As expected, Republican voters voted more heavily on Election Day in Pennsylvania, a critical swing state, and Democrats voted in significantly larger numbers by mail.
Because laws around the vote counting process did not adjust to that reality, it took days before it was clear that former Vice President Joe Biden had won the state.
The Trump campaign and many Republicans, however, have seized on the time it has taken for officials to count ballots as a sign of something fraudulent happening. But the lawsuits they have filed have not borne that narrative out.
Thus far, the campaign has scored a few wins in court but none that will have an effect on the result of the state. A state court, and separately the U.S. Supreme Court, ruled that local officials must segregate some ballots in case deadlines that were extended by the secretary of state are found to be unconstitutional.
It's unclear how many ballots that will be at this point, but experts are extremely skeptical it will be anywhere close to enough to overturn Biden's current 45,000-vote lead in the state.
Separately, a federal judge ruled that election observers could stand slightly closer to election officials than they were previously allowed to, but a request to stop vote counting over the issue was dismissed.
Michigan: Unfounded claims of lack of transparency
Similarly, in Michigan the Trump campaign has tried to allude to improprieties in a major city in a state it won in 2016, but lost this year. In Michigan's case: Detroit.
The campaign's claims have focused on an alleged lack of transparency in the vote-counting process, but in two cases, judges have not been swayed.
"This court finds that while there are assertions made by the plaintiffs that there is no evidence in support of those assertions," said Judge Timothy Kenny in denying a request to delay certification of election results.
"On this factual record, I have no basis to find that there's a substantial likelihood of success on the merits as relates to this defendant, nor am I convinced that there is a clear legal duty on behalf of anyone who is properly before this court to manage this issue," said Judge Cynthia Stephens in denying a separate request to stop the state's vote counting.
Still, the Trump campaign says it has more evidence to come regarding the elections process in Detroit. Two voters filed suit against the City of Detroit and its elections commission, alleging a number of crimes on the part of election officials. The suit includes an affidavit from an elections employee who makes a number of claims that have been disputed by city officials.
"We have only begun the process of obtaining an accurate and honest vote count," said White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany at a press conference Monday afternoon.
Arizona: Baseless Sharpie conspiracies
A rumor, which has been debunked by the Department of Homeland Security, still led to a lawsuit by the Trump campaign in Arizona.
The campaign alleged that some voters had their ballots incorrectly rejected because they used Sharpies to fill them out. It's a claim that went viral on social media, despite officials insisting it was not true.
"Don't promote disinfo! Stop spreading #SharpieGate claims," said Chris Krebs, the director of the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency.
The agency debunked the claim on its Rumor Control website, which fact-checks election misinformation.
Republicans in the state dropped the Sharpie lawsuit Saturday but then filed a separate suit alleging other votes in the state were incorrectly rejected.
Georgia: No evidence of late ballots counted
A Georgia judge summarily dismissed a Trump campaign lawsuit last week that alleged ballots received after a 7 p.m. Election Day deadline were mixed in with legitimate ballots, according to The Current, a nonprofit newsroom in Georgia that partners with NPR member station Georgia Public Broadcasting.
Republicans in the state based their allegations on testimony from a Georgia GOP poll watcher who was subsequently unable to provide any evidence.
"The court finds that there is no evidence that the ballots referenced in the petition were received after 7:00 p.m. on [Election Day], thereby making those ballots invalid," Judge James F. Bass wrote, in dismissing the case.
On Monday, Georgia's two sitting Republican senators called for the state's Republican secretary of state Brad Raffensperger to resign after alleging "too many failures in Georgia elections this year" but without mentioning specifics to support their claims, as reported by GPB's Stephen Fowler.
Raffensperger shot back.
"My job is to follow Georgia law and see to it that all legal votes, and no illegal votes, are counted properly and accurately," he said. "As secretary of state, that is my duty, and I will continue to do my duty. As a Republican, I am concerned about Republicans keeping the U.S. Senate. I recommend that Sens. Loeffler and Perdue start focusing on that."
Nevada: Rejected requests to stop machine verification, processing of mail ballots
In Nevada, another state Biden seems to have won by a fairly thin margin, Nevada Republicans filed a lawsuit that, had it been successful, would have slowed down the vote-counting process.
The Trump campaign and the Nevada Republican Party claimed that "irregularities have plagued the election" in Clark County, the state's most populous county, without providing evidence. They argued that the county should not be able to use a machine to verify signatures, but federal Judge Andrew Gordon rejected the request.
The Trump campaign also earlier sued unsuccessfully to stop the processing of mail ballots in Clark County.
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Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Trump lawsuits:
NPR is a biased news source.
What is incorrect about what was written?
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@taiwan_girl it contradicts Trump
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@Jolly said in Trump lawsuits:
NPR is a biased news source.
Jolly, I'm shocked and disappointed that you would shoot the messenger in this way.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump lawsuits:
@Jolly said in Trump lawsuits:
NPR is a biased news source.
Jolly, I'm shocked and disappointed that you would shoot the messenger in this way.
I didn't shoot them. They shot themselves a long time ago.
If you wish, go back and look...I've said the same thing for twenty years, that NPR is biased ( I've often referred to NPR as National Communistic Radio). I think their funding should be cut to zero and they should fend for themselves.
Always remember, Operation Valkyrie was an act of sedition.
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@Jolly said in Trump lawsuits:
@Doctor-Phibes said in Trump lawsuits:
@Jolly said in Trump lawsuits:
NPR is a biased news source.
Jolly, I'm shocked and disappointed that you would shoot the messenger in this way.
I didn't shoot them. They shot themselves a long time ago.
If you wish, go back and look...I've said the same thing for twenty years, that NPR is biased ( I've often referred to NPR as National Communistic Radio). I think their funding should be cut to zero and they should fend for themselves.
When I laughed at your news sources, that was your response, and the places you link to ain't unbiased.
I actually agree with you over NPR bias. I find their (frequently unconscious) bias really aggravating. Their discussion stuff that's on in the middle day is really bad, but the regular news coverage is often better than most places. It's not like there's a lot of great radio to listen to. They also suffer from what I think Aqua calls the Wimbledon complex.
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GOP lawyer Ben Ginsberg calls BS on Trump’s baseless election claims. This is the lawyer who handled GW Bush’s election lawsuit concerning the Florida recount.
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Trump lawyers suffer embarrassing rebukes from judges over voter fraud claims
The article went over a few court cases brought by the Trump campaign and conclude with the following:
“The common thread running through all of these is that Trump’s lawyers are regularly offering a significantly more watered-down version of Trump’s claims about rampant voter fraud — because they, unlike Trump, have to substantiate their claims. And as these exchanges show, it’s a rather thankless task that can quickly land them on a judge’s bad side.”
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New wave, original composition...
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@Axtremus I’ve posted screenshots of specific examples.
That was my point made separately to Larry and Jolly. The last place you’d go to get informed on the actual state of the evidence is a partisan news source with an outrage-for-clicks business model.
The Trump filings are a good place to start because they are obviously aware of all the wild accusations but need to apply at least a semblance of a filter to them so as not to get humiliated or even sanctioned in court.
DON’T let them eat cake.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump lawsuits:
@Axtremus I’ve posted screenshots of specific examples.
That was my point made separately to Larry and Jolly. The last place you’d go to get informed on the actual state of the evidence is a partisan news source with an outrage-for-clicks business model.
The Trump filings are a good place to start because they are obviously aware of all the wild accusations but need to apply at least a semblance of a filter to them so as not to get humiliated or even sanctioned in court.
Says the guy who gets his information from the NYT and the Washington post..... as he talk to another person who get his information from......... the NYT and the Washington Post.....
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@Larry I have an 11 year kid so I’m fully aware of the power of the phrase “I know you are but what am I”, but I gotta say it doesn’t apply in this case.
Note I didn’t suggest going to the times or post for a more realistic view of the actual evidence. I suggested looking at the Trump campaign’s own court filings. Because they are motivated to list as much evidence as they possibly can, but are penalized if it is known to be bullshit.
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@jon-nyc said in Trump lawsuits:
@Larry I have an 11 year kid so I’m fully aware of the power of the phrase “I know you are but what am I”, but I gotta say it doesn’t apply in this case.
Note I didn’t suggest going to the times or post for a more realistic view of the actual evidence. I suggested looking at the Trump campaign’s own court filings. Because they are motivated to list as much evidence as they possibly can, but are penalized if it is known to be bullshit.
Couple of examples:
"During a Pennsylvania court hearing this week on one of the many election lawsuits brought by President Donald Trump, a judge asked a campaign lawyer whether he had found any signs of fraud from among the 592 ballots challenged.The answer was no."
Another
"As the campaign tried to stop the vote count in Philadelphia last week, a judge tried to get to the bottom of a Republican complaint over observer access in the room where election workers were processing mail-in ballots.I am asking you as a member of the bar of this court, are people representing the Donald J. Trump for president (campaign) … in that room?” U.S. District Judge Paul S. Diamond asked.
There’s a nonzero number of people in the room,” campaign lawyer Jerome Marcus replied."
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This is a bit dated and has probably changed over the time, but thought this was interesting.
