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  • MikM Mik

    We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.

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    brenda
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    #12

    @Mik said in Gutcheck:

    We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.

    And here's a bill from Minnesoooooota on this topic.
    SF4480
    A bill for an act
    relating to economic development; establishing a process to safely reopen
    businesses during a peacetime emergency.
    BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:

    Section 1. OPTIONAL BUSINESS SUBMISSION FOR SAFE OPERATION DURING
    PEACETIME EMERGENCY.
    Subdivision 1. Purpose. In order to return the economy of this state to a prepandemic
    level where possible, any business affected by an executive order during a peacetime
    emergency may choose to submit to the commissioner a plan to conduct business in a manner
    that will ensure the safety of its workers and the general public during a peacetime public
    health emergency period. Any business submitting such a plan may qualify to reopen the
    affected business during a peacetime emergency pursuant to this section.
    Subd. 2. Definitions. (a) For the purposes of this section, the following terms have the
    meanings given them.
    (b) "Business" means a business that due to an executive order or orders issued during
    a peacetime public health emergency period was required to either significantly reduce
    operation of the business or cease all operation of the business during the effective period
    of the executive order or orders.
    (c) "Commissioner" means the commissioner of employment and economic development.
    (d) "Department" means the Department of Employment and Economic Development.
    (e) "Peacetime public health emergency period" means the duration of any peacetime
    emergency declared by the governor in an executive order that relates to COVID-19, but
    ending no later than January 31, 2021.
    Subd. 3. Application. The commissioner shall develop an application for businesses to
    submit a plan for safe operation during a peacetime emergency according to this section.
    The application shall be made available in an easily accessible format on the department's
    website.
    Subd. 4. Plan requirements. A business seeking to operate during a peacetime emergency
    shall submit to the commissioner a plan for safe operation that includes the following:
    (1) a proposal to minimize, or eliminate if possible, physical interactions among staff
    and with and between customers;
    (2) a strategy to ensure appropriate health, hygiene, and safety measures are in place in
    work areas;
    (3) the rationale as to the level of business activity that may be conducted based on
    clauses (1) and (2); and
    (4) any other information that the business determines may assist the commissioner in
    making a determination regarding the safe operation of the business.
    Subd. 5. Approval to operate. (a) Within three business days of the date the
    commissioner receives an application and plan under subdivisions 3 and 4, the commissioner
    shall issue or deny an approval to operate under this section.
    (b) The commissioner must provide written communication regarding incompleteness
    to a business as soon as practicable after the business submits a plan for safe operation
    application specifying any missing information in the application.
    (c) In issuing a denial, the commissioner shall specify the reason or reasons for the
    denial, including any information that would result in an approval of the plan if resubmitted.
    (d) A business receiving approval for safe operation must post the approval issued by
    the commissioner in a conspicuous place that is easily visible to the public or on the website
    of the business.
    Subd. 6. Enforcement. A business approval for operation is conditional on adherence
    to the plan submitted by the business for safe operation during a peacetime emergency. The
    commissioner may revoke the approval to operate a business if the business is found to be
    in breach of the approved plan for safe operation submitted by the business.
    EFFECTIVE DATE. This section is effective the day following final enactment.

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    • MikM Away
      MikM Away
      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #13

      Yeah, what I said was pretty much what DeWine presented today at the Ohio daily briefing. It's really the only way that makes sense, and it keeps safety in the front of folks' minds.

      But we won't be normal again for a long time.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        brenda
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        #14

        The Minnesooooota bill is just getting its first hearing, and could see changes along the way before any vote in the Senate chambers. Of course, that's only the Senate side. There's no House companion bill. Perhaps the House wants to see what the SEnate does with this one first.

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          brenda
          wrote on last edited by brenda
          #15

          Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
          https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

          "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

          The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

          “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

          “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

          “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

          Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
          Enhanced ability to test and trace.
          Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
          And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

          “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

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          • brendaB brenda

            Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
            https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

            "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

            The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

            “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

            “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

            “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

            Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
            Enhanced ability to test and trace.
            Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
            And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

            “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

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            jon-nyc
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            #16

            @brenda said in Gutcheck:

            Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy

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            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              I’ve been told the same when I make similar observations about USUncut or DemocracyUnderground.

              JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #17

              @jon-nyc said in Gutcheck:

              I’ve been told the same when I make similar observations about USUncut or DemocracyUnderground.

              Quote, please.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • brendaB brenda

                Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
                https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

                "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

                The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

                “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

                “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

                “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

                Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
                Enhanced ability to test and trace.
                Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
                And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

                “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

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                Loki
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                #18

                @brenda said in Gutcheck:

                Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
                https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

                "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

                The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

                “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

                “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

                “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

                Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
                Enhanced ability to test and trace.
                Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
                And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

                “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

                Do these new pop up provinces now make requests for stimulus money and healthcare resources to our central government? Or does each state retain those rights? Where does the collaboration start and end?

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                  @brenda said in Gutcheck:

                  Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
                  https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

                  "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

                  The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

                  “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

                  “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

                  “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

                  Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
                  Enhanced ability to test and trace.
                  Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
                  And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

                  “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

                  Do these new pop up provinces now make requests for stimulus money and healthcare resources to our central government? Or does each state retain those rights? Where does the collaboration start and end?

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                  brenda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #19

                  @Loki
                  I suspect it starts and ends with their ability to tell their constituents they're doing something toward opening up their states.

                  It doesn't hurt to know what your neighbor states are doing, too.

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #20

                    Also some of the political borders split economic and metropolitan zones somewhat arbitrarily. It doesn’t make sense to have different rules and testing regimes between jersey city and midtown, when they’re connected by a subway.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
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                      #21

                      Same thing here with Northern Kentucky and Cincinnati. Just too much crossover.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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