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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    He really needs to stick to WWII.

    I've never seen a single redeemable piece in Townhall. It's out there.

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    Jolly
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    #10

    @jon-nyc said in Gutcheck:

    He really needs to stick to WWII.

    I've never seen a single redeemable piece in Townhall. It's out there.

    Oh, probably because you have a closed mind.

    Very little I can do about that.🐸

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on last edited by
      #11

      I’ve been told the same when I make similar observations about USUncut or DemocracyUnderground.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      • MikM Mik

        We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.

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        #12

        @Mik said in Gutcheck:

        We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.

        And here's a bill from Minnesoooooota on this topic.
        SF4480
        A bill for an act
        relating to economic development; establishing a process to safely reopen
        businesses during a peacetime emergency.
        BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:

        Section 1. OPTIONAL BUSINESS SUBMISSION FOR SAFE OPERATION DURING
        PEACETIME EMERGENCY.
        Subdivision 1. Purpose. In order to return the economy of this state to a prepandemic
        level where possible, any business affected by an executive order during a peacetime
        emergency may choose to submit to the commissioner a plan to conduct business in a manner
        that will ensure the safety of its workers and the general public during a peacetime public
        health emergency period. Any business submitting such a plan may qualify to reopen the
        affected business during a peacetime emergency pursuant to this section.
        Subd. 2. Definitions. (a) For the purposes of this section, the following terms have the
        meanings given them.
        (b) "Business" means a business that due to an executive order or orders issued during
        a peacetime public health emergency period was required to either significantly reduce
        operation of the business or cease all operation of the business during the effective period
        of the executive order or orders.
        (c) "Commissioner" means the commissioner of employment and economic development.
        (d) "Department" means the Department of Employment and Economic Development.
        (e) "Peacetime public health emergency period" means the duration of any peacetime
        emergency declared by the governor in an executive order that relates to COVID-19, but
        ending no later than January 31, 2021.
        Subd. 3. Application. The commissioner shall develop an application for businesses to
        submit a plan for safe operation during a peacetime emergency according to this section.
        The application shall be made available in an easily accessible format on the department's
        website.
        Subd. 4. Plan requirements. A business seeking to operate during a peacetime emergency
        shall submit to the commissioner a plan for safe operation that includes the following:
        (1) a proposal to minimize, or eliminate if possible, physical interactions among staff
        and with and between customers;
        (2) a strategy to ensure appropriate health, hygiene, and safety measures are in place in
        work areas;
        (3) the rationale as to the level of business activity that may be conducted based on
        clauses (1) and (2); and
        (4) any other information that the business determines may assist the commissioner in
        making a determination regarding the safe operation of the business.
        Subd. 5. Approval to operate. (a) Within three business days of the date the
        commissioner receives an application and plan under subdivisions 3 and 4, the commissioner
        shall issue or deny an approval to operate under this section.
        (b) The commissioner must provide written communication regarding incompleteness
        to a business as soon as practicable after the business submits a plan for safe operation
        application specifying any missing information in the application.
        (c) In issuing a denial, the commissioner shall specify the reason or reasons for the
        denial, including any information that would result in an approval of the plan if resubmitted.
        (d) A business receiving approval for safe operation must post the approval issued by
        the commissioner in a conspicuous place that is easily visible to the public or on the website
        of the business.
        Subd. 6. Enforcement. A business approval for operation is conditional on adherence
        to the plan submitted by the business for safe operation during a peacetime emergency. The
        commissioner may revoke the approval to operate a business if the business is found to be
        in breach of the approved plan for safe operation submitted by the business.
        EFFECTIVE DATE. This section is effective the day following final enactment.

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          #13

          Yeah, what I said was pretty much what DeWine presented today at the Ohio daily briefing. It's really the only way that makes sense, and it keeps safety in the front of folks' minds.

          But we won't be normal again for a long time.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            brenda
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            The Minnesooooota bill is just getting its first hearing, and could see changes along the way before any vote in the Senate chambers. Of course, that's only the Senate side. There's no House companion bill. Perhaps the House wants to see what the SEnate does with this one first.

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              brenda
              wrote on last edited by brenda
              #15

              Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
              https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

              "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

              The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

              “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

              “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

              “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

              Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
              Enhanced ability to test and trace.
              Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
              And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

              “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

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              • brendaB brenda

                Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
                https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

                "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

                The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

                “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

                “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

                “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

                Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
                Enhanced ability to test and trace.
                Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
                And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

                “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #16

                @brenda said in Gutcheck:

                Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy

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                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  I’ve been told the same when I make similar observations about USUncut or DemocracyUnderground.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  #17

                  @jon-nyc said in Gutcheck:

                  I’ve been told the same when I make similar observations about USUncut or DemocracyUnderground.

                  Quote, please.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • brendaB brenda

                    Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
                    https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

                    "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

                    The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

                    “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

                    “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

                    “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

                    Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
                    Enhanced ability to test and trace.
                    Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
                    And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

                    “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

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                    Loki
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #18

                    @brenda said in Gutcheck:

                    Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
                    https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

                    "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

                    The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

                    “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

                    “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

                    “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

                    Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
                    Enhanced ability to test and trace.
                    Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
                    And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

                    “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

                    Do these new pop up provinces now make requests for stimulus money and healthcare resources to our central government? Or does each state retain those rights? Where does the collaboration start and end?

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                      @brenda said in Gutcheck:

                      Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
                      https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html

                      "Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.

                      The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.

                      “Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.

                      “Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.

                      “We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:

                      Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
                      Enhanced ability to test and trace.
                      Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
                      And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.

                      “Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”

                      Do these new pop up provinces now make requests for stimulus money and healthcare resources to our central government? Or does each state retain those rights? Where does the collaboration start and end?

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                      brenda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #19

                      @Loki
                      I suspect it starts and ends with their ability to tell their constituents they're doing something toward opening up their states.

                      It doesn't hurt to know what your neighbor states are doing, too.

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
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                        #20

                        Also some of the political borders split economic and metropolitan zones somewhat arbitrarily. It doesn’t make sense to have different rules and testing regimes between jersey city and midtown, when they’re connected by a subway.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                          #21

                          Same thing here with Northern Kentucky and Cincinnati. Just too much crossover.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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