Gutcheck
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wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 12:15 last edited by
Considering that our current state is not sustainable we need to look at incremental steps to get folks back to work.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 15:52 last edited by
Hogan has said that in MD,
- Yeah, people need to go back to work.
- Because of the 95 corridor and our area's three international airports, it's very important to coordinate with other governors when we open things back up. A plan in a vacuum simply will not work.
- He straight up said that while he cares very much about the economy, he cares about lives more.
Go Maryland.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 15:59 last edited by
We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.
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We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.
wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 16:06 last edited byWe will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.
I'm going to walk this through my own personal example. I work for an office that has about 45 employees. A lot of them are stupid. They miss their 90-minute lunch breaks with colleagues. If our office reopens, they are absolutely going to return to their routines and do little to nothing to protect themselves, or other people.
What mechanism could you possibly have to protect the rest of the office from low-intelligence employees putting their colleagues' lives at risk? Other than allow remote work for anyone who wants to from now until vaccine time?
And hell, that's in a place where that's an option. What do you do about retail employees who think this is all libtard propaganda?
I'm very skeptical about any plan. I think there's basically no way to get people to go back to work and have an R0 less than 1. We go back to work, the net case count's going to jump up again. I don't know what to suggest.
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We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.
I'm going to walk this through my own personal example. I work for an office that has about 45 employees. A lot of them are stupid. They miss their 90-minute lunch breaks with colleagues. If our office reopens, they are absolutely going to return to their routines and do little to nothing to protect themselves, or other people.
What mechanism could you possibly have to protect the rest of the office from low-intelligence employees putting their colleagues' lives at risk? Other than allow remote work for anyone who wants to from now until vaccine time?
And hell, that's in a place where that's an option. What do you do about retail employees who think this is all libtard propaganda?
I'm very skeptical about any plan. I think there's basically no way to get people to go back to work and have an R0 less than 1. We go back to work, the net case count's going to jump up again. I don't know what to suggest.
wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 18:25 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Gutcheck:
We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.
I'm going to walk this through my own personal example. I work for an office that has about 45 employees. A lot of them are stupid. They miss their 90-minute lunch breaks with colleagues. If our office reopens, they are absolutely going to return to their routines and do little to nothing to protect themselves, or other people.
What mechanism could you possibly have to protect the rest of the office from low-intelligence employees putting their colleagues' lives at risk? Other than allow remote work for anyone who wants to from now until vaccine time?
And hell, that's in a place where that's an option. What do you do about retail employees who think this is all libtard propaganda?
I'm very skeptical about any plan. I think there's basically no way to get people to go back to work and have an R0 less than 1. We go back to work, the net case count's going to jump up again. I don't know what to suggest.
Pretty much what is going to happen. People will get sick and some will become very ill, but the numbers may be such that the healthcare system will not be overwhelmed. As long as we have beds and vents, I think the hide will go with the hair.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Gutcheck:
We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.
I'm going to walk this through my own personal example. I work for an office that has about 45 employees. A lot of them are stupid. They miss their 90-minute lunch breaks with colleagues. If our office reopens, they are absolutely going to return to their routines and do little to nothing to protect themselves, or other people.
What mechanism could you possibly have to protect the rest of the office from low-intelligence employees putting their colleagues' lives at risk? Other than allow remote work for anyone who wants to from now until vaccine time?
And hell, that's in a place where that's an option. What do you do about retail employees who think this is all libtard propaganda?
I'm very skeptical about any plan. I think there's basically no way to get people to go back to work and have an R0 less than 1. We go back to work, the net case count's going to jump up again. I don't know what to suggest.
Pretty much what is going to happen. People will get sick and some will become very ill, but the numbers may be such that the healthcare system will not be overwhelmed. As long as we have beds and vents, I think the hide will go with the hair.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 19:31 last edited by
@Aqua-Letifer said in Gutcheck:
Pretty much what is going to happen. People will get sick and some will become very ill, but the numbers may be such that the healthcare system will not be overwhelmed. As long as we have beds and vents, I think the hide will go with the hair.
That's a rather high hurdle.
I agree, but I think that's where it's going.
I may be tremendously wrong.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 20:26 last edited by
He really needs to stick to WWII.
I've never seen a single redeemable piece in Townhall. It's out there.
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He really needs to stick to WWII.
I've never seen a single redeemable piece in Townhall. It's out there.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 20:35 last edited by
I’ve been told the same when I make similar observations about USUncut or DemocracyUnderground.
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We will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.
wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 20:36 last edited byWe will be reopening, but it needs to be done in a thoughtful, organized and public health conscious way. Businesses that want to reopen should submit a description of how they will provide a safe workplace for their employees and customers. States and counties should review these plans based on the situation on the ground there but be ready to retrench when hotspots pop up.
And here's a bill from Minnesoooooota on this topic.
SF4480
A bill for an act
relating to economic development; establishing a process to safely reopen
businesses during a peacetime emergency.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF MINNESOTA:Section 1. OPTIONAL BUSINESS SUBMISSION FOR SAFE OPERATION DURING
PEACETIME EMERGENCY.
Subdivision 1. Purpose. In order to return the economy of this state to a prepandemic
level where possible, any business affected by an executive order during a peacetime
emergency may choose to submit to the commissioner a plan to conduct business in a manner
that will ensure the safety of its workers and the general public during a peacetime public
health emergency period. Any business submitting such a plan may qualify to reopen the
affected business during a peacetime emergency pursuant to this section.
Subd. 2. Definitions. (a) For the purposes of this section, the following terms have the
meanings given them.
(b) "Business" means a business that due to an executive order or orders issued during
a peacetime public health emergency period was required to either significantly reduce
operation of the business or cease all operation of the business during the effective period
of the executive order or orders.
(c) "Commissioner" means the commissioner of employment and economic development.
(d) "Department" means the Department of Employment and Economic Development.
(e) "Peacetime public health emergency period" means the duration of any peacetime
emergency declared by the governor in an executive order that relates to COVID-19, but
ending no later than January 31, 2021.
Subd. 3. Application. The commissioner shall develop an application for businesses to
submit a plan for safe operation during a peacetime emergency according to this section.
The application shall be made available in an easily accessible format on the department's
website.
Subd. 4. Plan requirements. A business seeking to operate during a peacetime emergency
shall submit to the commissioner a plan for safe operation that includes the following:
(1) a proposal to minimize, or eliminate if possible, physical interactions among staff
and with and between customers;
(2) a strategy to ensure appropriate health, hygiene, and safety measures are in place in
work areas;
(3) the rationale as to the level of business activity that may be conducted based on
clauses (1) and (2); and
(4) any other information that the business determines may assist the commissioner in
making a determination regarding the safe operation of the business.
Subd. 5. Approval to operate. (a) Within three business days of the date the
commissioner receives an application and plan under subdivisions 3 and 4, the commissioner
shall issue or deny an approval to operate under this section.
(b) The commissioner must provide written communication regarding incompleteness
to a business as soon as practicable after the business submits a plan for safe operation
application specifying any missing information in the application.
(c) In issuing a denial, the commissioner shall specify the reason or reasons for the
denial, including any information that would result in an approval of the plan if resubmitted.
(d) A business receiving approval for safe operation must post the approval issued by
the commissioner in a conspicuous place that is easily visible to the public or on the website
of the business.
Subd. 6. Enforcement. A business approval for operation is conditional on adherence
to the plan submitted by the business for safe operation during a peacetime emergency. The
commissioner may revoke the approval to operate a business if the business is found to be
in breach of the approved plan for safe operation submitted by the business.
EFFECTIVE DATE. This section is effective the day following final enactment. -
wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 20:38 last edited by
Yeah, what I said was pretty much what DeWine presented today at the Ohio daily briefing. It's really the only way that makes sense, and it keeps safety in the front of folks' minds.
But we won't be normal again for a long time.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 20:44 last edited by
The Minnesooooota bill is just getting its first hearing, and could see changes along the way before any vote in the Senate chambers. Of course, that's only the Senate side. There's no House companion bill. Perhaps the House wants to see what the SEnate does with this one first.
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wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 21:29 last edited by brenda
Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html"Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.
The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.
“Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.
“Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.
“We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:
Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
Enhanced ability to test and trace.
Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.“Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”
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Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html"Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.
The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.
“Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.
“Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.
“We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:
Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
Enhanced ability to test and trace.
Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.“Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”
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I’ve been told the same when I make similar observations about USUncut or DemocracyUnderground.
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Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html"Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.
The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.
“Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.
“Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.
“We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:
Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
Enhanced ability to test and trace.
Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.“Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”
wrote on 16 Apr 2020, 23:31 last edited byMidwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html"Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.
The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.
“Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.
“Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.
“We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:
Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
Enhanced ability to test and trace.
Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.“Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”
Do these new pop up provinces now make requests for stimulus money and healthcare resources to our central government? Or does each state retain those rights? Where does the collaboration start and end?
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Midwest Governors Announce Partnership to Reopen Regional Economy
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90640-526088--,00.html"Today, Governors Gretchen Whitmer (MI), Mike DeWine (OH), Tony Evers (WI), Tim Walz (MN), JB Pritzker (IL), Eric Holcomb (IN), and Andy Beshear (KY) announced that they will work in close coordination to reopen the economy in the Midwest region.
The governors said, “We are doing everything we can to protect the people of our states and slow the spread of COVID-19, and we are eager to work together to mitigate the economic crisis this virus has caused in our region. Here in the Midwest, we are bound by our commitment to our people and the community. We recognize that our economies are all reliant on each other, and we must work together to safely reopen them so hardworking people can get back to work and businesses can get back on their feet.
“Today, we are announcing that Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois, Indiana, and Kentucky will work in close coordination to reopen our economies in a way that prioritizes our workers’ health. We look forward to working with experts and taking a fact-based, data-driven approach to reopening our economy in a way that protect families from the spread of COVID-19.
“Our number one priority when analyzing when best to reopen our economy is the health and safety of our citizens. We will make decisions based on facts, science, and recommendations from experts in health care, business, labor, and education.
“We will closely examine at least these four factors when determining when best to reopen our economy:
Sustained control of the rate of new infections and hospitalizations.
Enhanced ability to test and trace.
Sufficient health care capacity to handle resurgence.
And best practices for social distancing in the workplace.“Phasing in sectors of our economy will be most effective when we work together as a region. This doesn’t mean our economy will reopen all at once, or that every state will take the same steps at the same time. But close coordination will ensure we get this right. Over time, people will go back to work, restaurants will reopen, and things will go back to normal. We look forward to working together as one region to tackle this challenge together.”
Do these new pop up provinces now make requests for stimulus money and healthcare resources to our central government? Or does each state retain those rights? Where does the collaboration start and end?
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wrote on 17 Apr 2020, 00:27 last edited by
Also some of the political borders split economic and metropolitan zones somewhat arbitrarily. It doesn’t make sense to have different rules and testing regimes between jersey city and midtown, when they’re connected by a subway.
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wrote on 17 Apr 2020, 00:30 last edited by
Same thing here with Northern Kentucky and Cincinnati. Just too much crossover.
