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Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States

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  • LarryL Larry

    I saw a man paralyzed from the waist down from his war wounds literally stand and salute him. I hear TDS idiots tell me the man has no character, yet I see person after person whose character is without question tell me his character is just fine. I hear TDS sufferers tell me he is a racist, yet the number of black people standing up in support of him is surging like crazy.

    In simple terms, black people whose opinions carry weight are telling me Trump is no racist, and they support him. People of impeccable character are telling me Trump has great character. I have personally observed via videos and first hand accounts Trump exhibiting the very kind of character that I expect of a man.

    And I come here and it's Ax, xenon, Dr. Phibes, Jon, the cat lady, TG, telling me he's a man of low character, and a racist. Only one of them was born here. Sorry, i like a few of them...but I have more respect for that paralyzed soldier who stood up and saluted him than i have for all of these guys put together.

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    @Larry Larry, you just believe in the power of the executive and government a lot more than me.

    I weigh character heavier than policy - relative to many folks.

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      My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.

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        It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing, so some of us are left to wonder. Actually we all have jobs; character is not the description, unless in a footnote.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • LarryL Larry

          My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.

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          @Larry said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

          My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.

          Well, your algorithm to decide whether somebody has the credentials to judge Trump's character seems to be "Credible if and only if (s)he support Trump", so your statement is rather tautological.

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          • HoraceH Horace

            It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing, so some of us are left to wonder. Actually we all have jobs; character is not the description, unless in a footnote.

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            @Horace said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

            It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing

            Unlike country of birth, a much more reliable measure of somebody's worth.

            I was only joking

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              If I ever said someone wasn't born here, what I meant is that you lack the cultural knowledge. You have to live through it, or so I am told.

              Education is extremely important.

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                I was referring to Larry's post, not something you said, H.

                I was only joking

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing, so some of us are left to wonder. Actually we all have jobs; character is not the description, unless in a footnote.

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                  @Horace said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                  It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing, so some of us are left to wonder. Actually we all have jobs; character is not the description, unless in a footnote.

                  Character left the arena in 1992.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • KlausK Klaus

                    @Larry said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                    My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.

                    Well, your algorithm to decide whether somebody has the credentials to judge Trump's character seems to be "Credible if and only if (s)he support Trump", so your statement is rather tautological.

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                    @Klaus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                    @Larry said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                    My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.

                    Well, your algorithm to decide whether somebody has the credentials to judge Trump's character seems to be "Credible if and only if (s)he support Trump", so your statement is rather tautological.

                    I'm sorry, was what I said over your head?

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                      @Axtremus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                      fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited

                      tl;dr version: Trump is an incompetent asshole, Biden is an incompetent nice man.

                      Presumably he saw them as incompetent because they both disagreed with him. I do hope we're not going back to thinking that the neo-cons had it right all along. One of the few things I liked about DJT was his reluctance to bomb the shit out of brown people.

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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                      @George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                      @Axtremus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                      fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited

                      tl;dr version: Trump is an incompetent asshole, Biden is an incompetent nice man.

                      Presumably he saw them as incompetent because they both disagreed with him. I do hope we're not going back to thinking that the neo-cons had it right all along. One of the few things I liked about DJT was his reluctance to bomb the shit out of brown people.

                      Then get over it, because we're going back to it.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • AxtremusA Axtremus

                        @George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                        Former SecDef Gates said that when it came to foreign policy, Biden was wrong almost 100% of the time?

                        https://www.wsj.com/articles/robert-gates-responds-on-his-quote-and-respect-for-joe-bidens-character-11604255503

                        By Robert Gates himself:

                        While it is certainly fair to quote my criticisms of Joe Biden’s record on national security, fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited to lead our men and women in uniform. He is unqualified and unfit to be commander-in-chief” (“Sizing Up the Next Commander-in-Chief,” op-ed, Sept. 17, 2016).

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                        @Axtremus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                        @George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                        Former SecDef Gates said that when it came to foreign policy, Biden was wrong almost 100% of the time?

                        https://www.wsj.com/articles/robert-gates-responds-on-his-quote-and-respect-for-joe-bidens-character-11604255503

                        By Robert Gates himself:

                        While it is certainly fair to quote my criticisms of Joe Biden’s record on national security, fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited to lead our men and women in uniform. He is unqualified and unfit to be commander-in-chief” (“Sizing Up the Next Commander-in-Chief,” op-ed, Sept. 17, 2016).

                        Heh. Gates speculates as to whether Biden is too old...

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                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Why not put a big red box around the bit where he says he's a man of integrity, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to?

                          That's actually a really positive thing to say about anybody.

                          I know, it's less positive after that, but having Robert Gates think he's wrong on foreign policy is also a pretty good recommendation in my book.

                          I was only joking

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            Why not put a big red box around the bit where he says he's a man of integrity, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to?

                            That's actually a really positive thing to say about anybody.

                            I know, it's less positive after that, but having Robert Gates think he's wrong on foreign policy is also a pretty good recommendation in my book.

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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                            Why not put a big red box around the bit where he says he's a man of integrity, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to?

                            A man of integrity, but a bit age-addled is EXACTLY what this country needs. Is that your point?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                              Why not put a big red box around the bit where he says he's a man of integrity, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to?

                              A man of integrity, but a bit age-addled is EXACTLY what this country needs. Is that your point?

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                              @George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                              Why not put a big red box around the bit where he says he's a man of integrity, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to?

                              A man of integrity, but a bit age-addled is EXACTLY what this country needs. Is that your point?

                              No, I think you need to start electing people who are in their 50's. However, it might be better than a man with no integrity who's a bit age addled.

                              I was only joking

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                              • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                @George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                                Why not put a big red box around the bit where he says he's a man of integrity, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to?

                                A man of integrity, but a bit age-addled is EXACTLY what this country needs. Is that your point?

                                No, I think you need to start electing people who are in their 50's. However, it might be better than a man with no integrity who's a bit age addled.

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                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                                @George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                                Why not put a big red box around the bit where he says he's a man of integrity, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to?

                                A man of integrity, but a bit age-addled is EXACTLY what this country needs. Is that your point?

                                No, I think you need to start electing people who are in their 50's. However, it might be better than a man with no integrity who's a bit age addled.

                                I know Joe is probably guilty of raking in money from China, but I don't think I'd say he has no integrity.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  He’s a man of values...

                                  The Brad

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                                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                    @George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                                    Why not put a big red box around the bit where he says he's a man of integrity, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to?

                                    A man of integrity, but a bit age-addled is EXACTLY what this country needs. Is that your point?

                                    No, I think you need to start electing people who are in their 50's. However, it might be better than a man with no integrity who's a bit age addled.

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:

                                    No, I think you need to start electing people who are in their 50's.

                                    I’m in my 50s!

                                    Oh, wait, you want a man of integrity...

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      Seen on Twitter:

                                      President Trump is being coddled more than an Evergreen College sophomore. The election was a week ago. This is getting embarrassing for the whole party.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        Yep, you can find whatever you want on Twitter.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          Your instinct to shoot the messenger is so strong you still manage to pull it off when he’s anonymous.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

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