Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 12:36 last edited by
Trust me when I say you don’t want any piece of how Robert Gates feels about Joe outside of his character.
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@George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
Former SecDef Gates said that when it came to foreign policy, Biden was wrong almost 100% of the time?
By Robert Gates himself:
While it is certainly fair to quote my criticisms of Joe Biden’s record on national security, fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited to lead our men and women in uniform. He is unqualified and unfit to be commander-in-chief” (“Sizing Up the Next Commander-in-Chief,” op-ed, Sept. 17, 2016).
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 12:41 last edited by@Axtremus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited
tl;dr version: Trump is an incompetent asshole, Biden is an incompetent nice man.
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@Axtremus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited
tl;dr version: Trump is an incompetent asshole, Biden is an incompetent nice man.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 13:05 last edited by Doctor Phibes 11 Aug 2020, 13:07@George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
@Axtremus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited
tl;dr version: Trump is an incompetent asshole, Biden is an incompetent nice man.
Presumably he saw them as incompetent because they both disagreed with him. I do hope we're not going back to thinking that the neo-cons had it right all along. One of the few things I liked about DJT was his reluctance to bomb the shit out of brown people.
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@Axtremus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited
tl;dr version: Trump is an incompetent asshole, Biden is an incompetent nice man.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 13:43 last edited by@George-K said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
@Axtremus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
fairness requires me to note for the record that those comments written in 2014 also noted that Mr. Biden was a man of genuine integrity and character. It is also worth noting that I wrote in these very pages that Donald Trump “is stubbornly uninformed about the world and how to lead our country and government, and temperamentally unsuited
tl;dr version: Trump is an incompetent asshole, Biden is an incompetent nice man.
The difference there is that where Trump is uninformed, he remained stubbornly so (look at his handling of COVID-19, he actively worked against subject matter experts in his own administration). Biden does not suffer the same shortcoming. It makes a difference whether a leader is willing to listen to expert advise, even more so on subject matters that the leader himself is insufficiently informed.
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My neighbor said it was like the car alarm going off on the street finally stopped after four years.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 19:02 last edited by
Yes, I imagine that was what it was like for lots of folk. We all have our sensitivities.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 19:19 last edited by
Thank god we learned that we are simply divided and need to learn to co-exist and that the saturation of social media and other media was not just misplaced but wrong and not productive. Hopefully people will learn to think again for themselves and we can shun the troll like behavior and demonization.
I have very very close friends on both sides of the Trump/Never Trump aisles. TG said I was a Trump supporter which is clearly an impression I made on at least some. I would say if divided government was on the menu I would have been all in from the get go. If I had voted for Trump it would have been a protest vote against the Media, against social media and against far left ideas.
Having respect for people of all ideologies is significantly more than 5% CPU overhead in the past environment.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 19:29 last edited by
I think TDS is one of the most important social ideas I'll ever witness. It was remarkable to me that people do in fact enjoy their hatreds, as long as they are part of a mob which can be relied on to support, encourage, and reward it.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 21:05 last edited by Larry 11 Aug 2020, 21:07
I saw a man paralyzed from the waist down from his war wounds literally stand and salute him. I hear TDS idiots tell me the man has no character, yet I see person after person whose character is without question tell me his character is just fine. I hear TDS sufferers tell me he is a racist, yet the number of black people standing up in support of him is surging like crazy.
In simple terms, black people whose opinions carry weight are telling me Trump is no racist, and they support him. People of impeccable character are telling me Trump has great character. I have personally observed via videos and first hand accounts Trump exhibiting the very kind of character that I expect of a man.
And I come here and it's Ax, xenon, Dr. Phibes, Jon, the cat lady, TG, telling me he's a man of low character, and a racist. Only one of them was born here. Sorry, i like a few of them...but I have more respect for that paralyzed soldier who stood up and saluted him than i have for all of these guys put together.
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I saw a man paralyzed from the waist down from his war wounds literally stand and salute him. I hear TDS idiots tell me the man has no character, yet I see person after person whose character is without question tell me his character is just fine. I hear TDS sufferers tell me he is a racist, yet the number of black people standing up in support of him is surging like crazy.
In simple terms, black people whose opinions carry weight are telling me Trump is no racist, and they support him. People of impeccable character are telling me Trump has great character. I have personally observed via videos and first hand accounts Trump exhibiting the very kind of character that I expect of a man.
And I come here and it's Ax, xenon, Dr. Phibes, Jon, the cat lady, TG, telling me he's a man of low character, and a racist. Only one of them was born here. Sorry, i like a few of them...but I have more respect for that paralyzed soldier who stood up and saluted him than i have for all of these guys put together.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 21:21 last edited by
My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 21:21 last edited by
It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing, so some of us are left to wonder. Actually we all have jobs; character is not the description, unless in a footnote.
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My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 21:33 last edited by@Larry said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.
Well, your algorithm to decide whether somebody has the credentials to judge Trump's character seems to be "Credible if and only if (s)he support Trump", so your statement is rather tautological.
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It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing, so some of us are left to wonder. Actually we all have jobs; character is not the description, unless in a footnote.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 21:54 last edited by@Horace said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing
Unlike country of birth, a much more reliable measure of somebody's worth.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 21:55 last edited by
If I ever said someone wasn't born here, what I meant is that you lack the cultural knowledge. You have to live through it, or so I am told.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 21:59 last edited by
I was referring to Larry's post, not something you said, H.
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It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing, so some of us are left to wonder. Actually we all have jobs; character is not the description, unless in a footnote.
wrote on 8 Nov 2020, 22:51 last edited by@Horace said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
It's just that character is an ephemeral and non-quantifiable thing, so some of us are left to wonder. Actually we all have jobs; character is not the description, unless in a footnote.
Character left the arena in 1992.
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@Larry said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.
Well, your algorithm to decide whether somebody has the credentials to judge Trump's character seems to be "Credible if and only if (s)he support Trump", so your statement is rather tautological.
wrote on 9 Nov 2020, 00:28 last edited by@Klaus said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
@Larry said in Recognizing Joseph R. Biden, Jr, the 46th President of the United States:
My point is that you lack the credentials to judge the man's character, especially in light of the overwhelming number and quality of those who actually do have the credentials to judge his character.
Well, your algorithm to decide whether somebody has the credentials to judge Trump's character seems to be "Credible if and only if (s)he support Trump", so your statement is rather tautological.
I'm sorry, was what I said over your head?