Silicon Valley

[Copper]

Technology is neither the problem nor the solution.

It is up to the cities and states to control their elections, there are no national elections, nor should there be.

Most current systems are fine, fraud is rare.

If there is fraud to be found, I expect it will be found soon.

[Jolly]

@xenon said in Silicon Valley:

@Jolly again I’ll ask. What are you referring to? What evidence of egregious fraud has come to light?

I’d be cool with a national vote + ID program.

The system is archaic. But that’s a different point.

I don’t know what you’re referring to.

I suspect there will be very little hard evidence. They're too smart for that.

[Jolly]

@Copper said in Silicon Valley:

Technology is neither the problem nor the solution.

It is up to the cities and states to control their elections, there are no national elections, nor should there be.

Most current systems are fine, fraud is rare.

If there is fraud to be found, I expect it will be found soon.

You didn't grow up with the Long Machine.

[George K]

@xenon said in Silicon Valley:

What evidence of egregious fraud has come to light?

Link to video

[bachophile]

[Jolly]

How do you know elections are fair and transparent in Israel?

[jon-nyc]

I agree we should clean up the process everywhere.

We could obviously do it, just need the political will.

[bachophile]

@Jolly said in Silicon Valley:

How do you know elections are fair and transparent in Israel?

I don’t know. Just like in the US, we have reps of every party as observers. And police nearby polling places to keep order.

I’ll admit, we don’t have absentee voting, and we have to present our ID card. Only diplomatic personal working abroad send in mail ballots.

[Copper]

One of the reasons we don't have the will to fix it:

Link to video

[Jolly]

@bachophile said in Silicon Valley:

@Jolly said in Silicon Valley:

How do you know elections are fair and transparent in Israel?

I don’t know. Just like in the US, we have reps of every party as observers. And police nearby polling places to keep order.

I’ll admit, we don’t have absentee voting, and we have to present our ID card. Only diplomatic personal working abroad send in mail ballots.

Then you have a better system than we do.

We have technology that allows us to unlock a cellphone with a thumbprint. But we have to put a ballot in the mail, and hope it's not tampered with or cast fraudently.

That's how much the world's greatest republic values its citizen's votes.

I come from a state with a long history of voting fraud. Some folks around here are so jubilant their horse won, they don't care about free and fair elections. I do.

I've stated many times, I agree with the founder's, the franchise is special. I don't mind early or absentee voting, but I detest mail-in ballots. If you can't be bothered to physically show up someplace and cast your vote, I don't think you should be allowed to cast one in some other fashion.

[bachophile]

I think the main rationale for mail ballots this year was Covid.

I doubt that the huge amount of mail voting would have happened without the pandemic.

[Jolly]

@bachophile said in Silicon Valley:

I think the main rationale for mail ballots this year was Covid.

I doubt that the huge amount of mail voting would have happened without the pandemic.

Been trending that way in the Great Northwet, even without COVID.